Should I jump into Tesla all the way....

redgtxdi

Diamond Member
Jun 23, 2004
5,464
8
81
long question short (TLDR)......Should I buy Tesla solar, Tesla power wall to help store and a model Y while I’m at it??

My house is perfect for solar w/ approx 1,000 square feet facing due south in north hemisphere.
My electric bill is $200 summer and $80 winter (So Cal)
I have money to spend and nothing is making money right now so maybe invest but also get a modelY to enjoy life? (Mid-life crisis) 😜
Or tell Elon to suck it and keep all my money? 🤷‍♂️
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
70,579
13,805
126
www.anyf.ca
Get a Nissan Leaf, DIY the solar, then take the money you saved and buy TSLA stock. :p

Seriously though the model Y does look like a nice car. If I had that kind of money I would consider it. Downside with Tesla though is once you buy it, you're on your own. I don't think regular garages will touch one and it's very hard to get parts or any kind of service.
 
  • Like
Reactions: redgtxdi

FaaR

Golden Member
Dec 28, 2007
1,056
412
136
hould I buy Tesla solar, Tesla power wall to help store and a model Y while I’m at it??
I haven't a clue how calculations would work out in your case, but there's a bunch of videos on the Fully Charged youtube channel about a Brit guy who runs most of the needs of his house and two electric cars using 3rd party solar panels and a Tesla powerwall. And he's probably not getting as much sun as in Cali either. So it might be a good idea for you too, who knows. *shrug*

Anyhow, it seems a pretty effective solution, from what I've seen. Also, you're cutting down on the pollutioning of this planet by moving over to renewable power and battery-electric vehicle, which has to be worth something to you, right? :)
 
  • Like
Reactions: redgtxdi

redgtxdi

Diamond Member
Jun 23, 2004
5,464
8
81
Funny, I am reading good things about the leaf. (Definitely only the latest version though as early models kinda sucked)

And yes, I know it’s difficult to justify the solar investment unless you’re really paying heavy and/or got a massive swimming pool, etc. I don’t and $200 isn’t bad for so cal summer. Hmmmmm

Will check out fully charged vids. 👍
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
19,688
2,811
126
I'm literally begging Tesla to take my money and give me solar roof and 3 Powerwalls. Yet I can't get it because Tesla doesn't install in GA yet. You live in CA where Tesla is installing solar and Powerwall and you're not jumping at the chance? Crazy.
 

BarkingGhostar

Diamond Member
Nov 20, 2009
8,410
1,617
136
I'm literally begging Tesla to take my money and give me solar roof and 3 Powerwalls. Yet I can't get it because Tesla doesn't install in GA yet. You live in CA where Tesla is installing solar and Powerwall and you're not jumping at the chance? Crazy.
You in an HOA community?
 

redgtxdi

Diamond Member
Jun 23, 2004
5,464
8
81
I'm literally begging Tesla to take my money and give me solar roof and 3 Powerwalls. Yet I can't get it because Tesla doesn't install in GA yet. You live in CA where Tesla is installing solar and Powerwall and you're not jumping at the chance? Crazy.

Ok but even as little as I know, I *do* know that there’s a pointof negative return. If net savings won’t pay for said technology before its obsolete or useless then there’s no point. At $500+ per month electric bills I’d go for it just for spite but if I’m only spending $1,500 per year....it maynot be worth it. 🤷‍♂️
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
60,046
10,535
126
How about selling power to the company? Is that a thing with Tesla's system?
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
19,688
2,811
126
Ok but even as little as I know, I *do* know that there’s a pointof negative return. If net savings won’t pay for said technology before its obsolete or useless then there’s no point. At $500+ per month electric bills I’d go for it just for spite but if I’m only spending $1,500 per year....it maynot be worth it. 🤷‍♂️
I thought you said you had money? If you can't afford it, wait until the technology gets cheaper and better. It will get cheaper and better.

But I'm pretty sure Tesla has guarantee you'll make money on their solar panel rental. So if money is important to you, that might be the better route. And forget about Powerwall and Model Y. You'll lose money on both.

How about selling power to the company? Is that a thing with Tesla's system?
You can depending on state regulation. I think you can in CA.
 
Last edited:

redgtxdi

Diamond Member
Jun 23, 2004
5,464
8
81
I thought you said you had money? If you can't afford it, wait until the technology gets cheaper and better. It will get cheaper and better.

But I'm pretty sure Tesla has guarantee you'll make money on their solar panel rental. So if money is important to you, that might be the better route. And forget about Powerwall and Model Y. You'll lose money on both.


You can depending on state regulation. I think you can in CA.

Again, I’m not savvy to all solar but I do know there’s a point at which it’s just not worth it. At that point unless I wanted to burn money, it simply doesn’t make sense. (I’m not independently wealthy, just have enough money to do it comfortably if I want to). I just think that based on previous conversations I’ve had with folks, you really need something above $200/month to have solar be worthwhile? 🤷‍♂️ (I rarely go over $200). But it’s also been a few years once I’ve discussed it.

And the one other thing I know is that I’ve got a roof facing due south in so cal that would make a solar mfgr probably salivate at the thought of slapping panels on it. But also again....maybe I’m wrong. 🤷‍♂️
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
19,688
2,811
126
Again, I’m not savvy to all solar but I do know there’s a point at which it’s just not worth it. At that point unless I wanted to burn money, it simply doesn’t make sense. (I’m not independently wealthy, just have enough money to do it comfortably if I want to). I just think that based on previous conversations I’ve had with folks, you really need something above $200/month to have solar be worthwhile? 🤷‍♂️ (I rarely go over $200). But it’s also been a few years once I’ve discussed it.

And the one other thing I know is that I’ve got a roof facing due south in so cal that would make a solar mfgr probably salivate at the thought of slapping panels on it. But also again....maybe I’m wrong. 🤷‍♂️
https://www.tesla.com
 

Viper GTS

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
38,107
433
136
Again, I’m not savvy to all solar but I do know there’s a point at which it’s just not worth it. At that point unless I wanted to burn money, it simply doesn’t make sense. (I’m not independently wealthy, just have enough money to do it comfortably if I want to). I just think that based on previous conversations I’ve had with folks, you really need something above $200/month to have solar be worthwhile? 🤷‍♂️ (I rarely go over $200). But it’s also been a few years once I’ve discussed it.

And the one other thing I know is that I’ve got a roof facing due south in so cal that would make a solar mfgr probably salivate at the thought of slapping panels on it. But also again....maybe I’m wrong. 🤷‍♂️

The idea of there being a dollar figure above which it's worth it and below it is not is a fundamental misunderstanding of well, basically everything.

As a start, do you have detailed power use data for your home? At minimum you'd want what is on your power bill - How many kwh per month have you used over the last year? How many do you anticipate using in the future (EV)? What is your average cost per kwh? Do you have time of use rate plans available where you are? Does net metering exist where you are?

While you are collecting all that data go here:


That will give you an idea of the generation potential of your roof. You'll need to know the pitch of your roof and the azimuth.

So once you have all this data the question then is:

1) How much of your monthly use will a PV system cover?
2) How much does that system cost?
3) How much tax credit and/or production credit will the system generate to offset cost?
4) What's your net cost of the system divided by the total kwh you can expect it to produce over its useful life?

If the answer at the end is lower than the cost per kwh you pay from your utility now and expect to pay in the future (decide on a % escalator because energy prices in general go up) then it's at least viable at quick inspection.

A solar installer can do all of this math for you but you need to understand how it works and know enough about it to know when they are using numbers that are skewed in their favor (unrealistic escalators on grid pricing for example). If you spend a few hours doing your homework you should be able to produce production estimates very close to what the solar installers will do for you. You don't have to talk to anyone to get a really good idea of what to expect when you do.

If you're willing to share data and/or address there are plenty of people out there who will help you.

Viper GTS
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: redgtxdi

redgtxdi

Diamond Member
Jun 23, 2004
5,464
8
81
Ok so long story short...pulled the trigger. Going sunlux and so far so good. Site audit went well just one thing came up today I was curious about (electricians in the house?) .....They said they need to downgrade my service panel from 125amp to 100amp to allow for a 50amp service breaker for the system. They assured me it’s all good but I’m not big on electrical. Anybody know why they would do that in layperson speak?

(Something about a 125/125 bus and the 100 frees up amps blah blah) confizzled
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
25,134
2,450
126
Ok so long story short...pulled the trigger. Going sunlux and so far so good. Site audit went well just one thing came up today I was curious about (electricians in the house?) .....They said they need to downgrade my service panel from 125amp to 100amp to allow for a 50amp service breaker for the system. They assured me it’s all good but I’m not big on electrical. Anybody know why they would do that in layperson speak?

(Something about a 125/125 bus and the 100 frees up amps blah blah) confizzled

Funny... I just upgraded the service to my house from 100A to 200A service when I replaced some damaged exterior wiring, so I could have the option of installing a fast car charger in my home when the time comes. I'm not sure how happy I would be if I had to downgrade it back to 100 amps.
 

redgtxdi

Diamond Member
Jun 23, 2004
5,464
8
81
Ya know that might be a good question to ask them with that stipulation....since I’m jonesin for a Tesla soon anyway.....what if I want to fast charge??
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
100,265
17,901
126
Ok so long story short...pulled the trigger. Going sunlux and so far so good. Site audit went well just one thing came up today I was curious about (electricians in the house?) .....They said they need to downgrade my service panel from 125amp to 100amp to allow for a 50amp service breaker for the system. They assured me it’s all good but I’m not big on electrical. Anybody know why they would do that in layperson speak?

(Something about a 125/125 bus and the 100 frees up amps blah blah) confizzled

Upgrade to 200A service instead.
 
  • Like
Reactions: zinfamous

redgtxdi

Diamond Member
Jun 23, 2004
5,464
8
81
Your service is your own. You have to pay for service upgrade
Right but what considerations are there for service upgrade? Did you see the article explaining the math behind main +bus - Po back?
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
70,579
13,805
126
www.anyf.ca
100a is fine. 200a is needed if you heat with hydro but if you have gas heat you'll be fine with 100a. 100a gives you 24kw of power. Or 12kw per leg at 120v.

Seems weird they would want to downgrade the service though... if the wire sizing is incorrect they could just add a 100a fused cut off before the panel that way you don't need to change the whole panel. Way cheaper than switching out the whole panel.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
100,265
17,901
126
Right but what considerations are there for service upgrade? Did you see the article explaining the math behind main +bus - Po back?

Are you feeding power back to the grid? The concern is overloading that portion of the wiring.


Solar makes perfect sense in Cali.
 
Last edited: