I have a Radeon8500 and it's nice. Definatley not what I expected (250/250 in a retail box) and after paying 300$ for it I was *SERIOUSLY* ticked but... once you get past that, this card is a dream. Anyone ever played Aquanox at 60FPS average? Or more like locked at 60FPS, 85FPS average. Seriously cool. All other games run at around 60FPS average. Did I mention i'm running all my games in 800X600? Now, I know, you're thinking *DANG*! You can afford a kickass system like that, but can't afford a 17 inch monitor. My answer? This was a loan for my parents. Nearly 1100$. I didn't have room to factor in the monitor once I found out that my Retail Radeon8500 cost 300$, CPU cost 200$, Motherboard cost 190$, Sound card cost 125$... things are natrually higher in China. Anyways, Radeon8500 I would reccomend to anyone who didn't demand the ultimate in compatibility for every single game out now and is willing to wait a few months for the drivers to improve. I'm keeping this card for a whole 1 1/2 years so I had to get something that wouldn't get weighed down.