Should I buy this XPS Gen 4 system?

[ribbon13]

Lets not forget Monarch. For CPU+mobo+GPU alone there go most the taxes...

Him wanting an LCD is an assumption. It may come with that system, but obviously its for gaming with that video card, so a CRT would be a better choice.

Also, he may already have XP Pro.

 

[Cheesetogo]

Originally posted by: Ike0069

Originally posted by: ribbon13
$75 Seasonic Tornado 400w PSU
$40 EverCase E4252B-53
$12 Antec 120mm

$60x2 Corsair VS512MB400
$435 3500 + Neo2

$650 Sapphire Radeon X850 XT Platinum Edition
$87 Creative Labs Audigy 2 ZS

$149 Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 ST3250823AS
$60 NEC ND-3520a

~$1650 leaving enough for a nice display. pwned.

Ok, well I don't see Windows XP pro.
That RAM doesn't match up with his DDR2 533.
And how much is a 2001FP? I'mnot sure, but I know they aren't cheap.
And damn man, that VC won't even work with that MB.

The amd will make up for the ram, the 2001fpw can be had for 500 during a deal, xp adds ~150 but you could probably find the video card for less than that, and if he could sacrifice %1 performance then an x850xt would be more like 470. THe motherboard will not add much price when changed to pci-e.

 

[ribbon13]

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80717-R-240418

$20?

 

[newbiepcuser]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80717-R-240418

$20?

Also he could get 1GB of ram for 100 these days. Yes, there are great deals out there to build AMD systems.

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
Lets not forget Monarch. For CPU+mobo+GPU alone there go most the taxes...

Him wanting an LCD is an assumption. It may come with that system, but obviously its for gaming with that video card, so a CRT would be a better choice.

Also, he may already have XP Pro.

That's not the point man. If he wanted a CRT, he still would have the 2001FP that he could sell. Now if he alreaday had a copy of XP pro, then yeah, I'd give you that. But what about the difference in RAM.

 

[ribbon13]

$120 for a gig of corsair seems fine to me

 

[Cheesetogo]

The diffenece in DDR and DDR-2 is not going to be that big, and the AMD 64 will a big improvement over the P4. THe ram does not matter much at all for gaming as it is only avalible with intel

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
THe ram does not matter much at all for gaming as it is only avalible with intel

That sentence makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Cheesetogo]

Originally posted by: Ike0069

Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
THe ram does not matter much at all for gaming as it is only avalible with intel

That sentence makes absolutely no sense.

I'm saying that DDR-2 is only for intel, AMD does not use it yet. The lack of DDR-2 on AMD's part will be much made up for by the better processor performance.

 

[Ike0069]

So ribbon, are you still saying that the system you quoted would still "own" the Dell? (BTW "pwn" would be cool is I was still in high school)

 

[ribbon13]

DDR > DDR2

higher latency and higher price for what? There would be no gains.

 

[Cheesetogo]

How high of a speed is DDR2 going to have to run at to beat DDR?

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: ribbon13
DDR > DDR2

higher latency and higher price for what? There would be no gains.

Ok, point taken.
(I'll forgive you now for trying to sell him a PCI-e VC for a AGP MB )

 

[Gamingphreek]

Processor: AMD A64 3500+ Winchester: $270

Memory: Corsair Value Select $118

Monitor: Dell 2001FP: $636

Video Card: EVGA 6800GT: $399

HDD: Seagate Barracuda w/NCQ: $110

DVD-Burner: NEC 3520A: $60

{Choose one or the other

Motherboard Option 1: DFI NF4 SLI-DR: $225

Motherboard Option 2: MSI K8N Neo 4 Platinum $180

}

Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition $148

Case: Coolermaster Cavalier 3 w/Window: $50

PSU: Enermax Noisetaker 420Watt: $75

Soundcard: Audigy 2 ZS: $70

CPU Cooling: Thermalright XP-90w/FAN and 10 Coupon: $35

_____________________________

$2151-$2196

Well well well. Looks like a system that will not only OC like crazy, but also has the option for SLI and includes all high quality components. Seems to me that i have just accomplished what i said i would. I dont think i forgot anything either.

-Kevin

 

[ribbon13]

Keyboard and mouse
http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/9673000403.html

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well you are $20 over with that Keyboard Mouse combo. But i garauntee that the system i specced out will flatten the Dell system. Add on the fact that it is highly tweakable (OCing) and has the option for SLI. Seems like i accomplished what i said i would.

-Kevin

 

[newbiepcuser]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well you are $20 over with that Keyboard Mouse combo. But i garauntee that the system i specced out will flatten the Dell system. Add on the fact that it is highly tweakable (OCing) and has the option for SLI. Seems like i accomplished what i said i would.

-Kevin

Just curious, would you need to beef up the power supply if you "SLI".

I never doubted you could build an AMD system that could compete/powned/HULK SMASH/OMFGBBQ the Dell.

 

[Gamingphreek]

While no doubt that isn't the most powerful PSU in the world it claims to have 30Watts between the 2x 12V rails. People have reports of running SLI on quality 350's. So while more definitely couldn't hurt he should run SLI just fine, and with plenty of wattage to spare.

-Kevin

 

[ribbon13]

$2200 for the Dell????

Consenus :thumbsdown:

+$25 for Active PFC, 36A 12v, made by Fortron
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-478&depa=0

 

[Gamingphreek]

Lol well seeing as without a keyboard and mouse (im assuming he already has one) he is about the same price, however with Keyboard and mouse he is $20 over i dont think the point should be pushed.

The fact is, we can build an equally priced system that has MUCH MUCH more to offer.

-Kevin

 

[Ike0069]

Come on now, as much as I like my 6800 GT, it isn't the same as an X850 XT PE.
So it seems you are not there yet.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Very true however the superior processor/chipset sort of makes up the difference. Also remember if in the future he wants more performance just pop in another 6800GT and he has performance almost double that of an X850XTPE.

6800GT is only ~20-25% behind the X850XTPE anyways and seeing as you are already above 60FPS 90% of the time it really doesn't matter as the difference is not between playable and non-playable.

-Kevin

 

[mwmorph]

you can oc gts a lot more. most of the time above a iltra(so thew difference between the 2 cards falls into single digits. alos, dx9.0c and sm3.0 will be supported thus preserving longevity(if sli ever really becomes fully devloped, mature and usable)

 

[Ike0069]

Now I think we're stretching here.
Fact: The $2200 Dell would show better FPS in any game than the $2150 AMD system.

 

[ribbon13]

Originally posted by: Ike0069
Now I think we're stretching here.
Fact: The $2200 Dell would show better FPS in any game than the $2150 AMD system.

Myth: Identical frames in Doom 3 1600x1200 32b 4xAA 8xAF
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041222/vga_charts-06.html

Take into consideradtion the superior processor, you are now obviously wrong.