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Should I buy now or save?

So I've been working on a gaming rig for a while, and I really want it done. The computer I have now is worth maybe $100 in parts. However, my funds keep dropping lower and lower. I've finally saved up enough to finish it, however now I have more expenses.

So my question is should I get the new i3-3220 or -3240 (which I can afford now) or the i5-3570k (which will take me a while to get)? I won't be doing much other than gaming, word processing, and browsing on this build. No CPU intensive things like video editing. As far as I know games only take advantage of two cores anyway. I want 3rd gen so I can use PCIe 3.0 and I will get an i5 eventually.

I have a gtx 460 2win video card. Would the i3 bottleneck it?

Fast response would be great, because if the i3 is enough I'll be buying today (9/15/12). Thanks in advance.
 
Refer to these two threads for more discussion on the topic than you're probably interested in:

Video card section:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2270271

CPU section:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2270252

Mind you, Battlefield is not all games, but it's an example of one that's very taxing on hardware.

Food for thought, if you decide an i3 is sufficient, there's not a lot of reason to get a more expensive Z77 motherboard which sets aside even more money for other components, unless you definitely plan to sell it down the road and get an i5. I have difficulty with this because I don't like going without a PC for any length of time.

The i3 is probably sufficient for smooth gameplay in today's games but don't expect your system to be as smooth overall as with the i5, and don't expect it to be nearly as future-proof.
 
I just read a review saying the gtx460 2win is about on par with the 580, so that doesn't seem to be an issue. I only have an old 720p TV as a monitor for now anyway. I just wondered if the i3 would bottleneck the 2 GPUs.

I also do plan on upgrading this rig for as long as I possibly can. New monitor, CPU, PSU, Keybord/mouse, SSD. Then amenities like 16GB RAM, more USB3.0, a BD-R drive. So I won't have a problem upgrading it, so I think I'll get the i3. Thanks.

And I know that Battlefield is a very high spec game. I plan on playing others like SC2, ArmaII, and I was hoping GW2.

Surprises me that GW2 is hard on the CPU, or anything else for that matter. GW1 runs on this piece of junk with no issues. Pentium 4 HT, 128MB video card (I was suprised to learn it was discrete at all), and 1GB RAM. I think it's getting close to nine years old.

New (first) Build:
Phantom Full-Tower Case
Intel BOXDZ77BH55K
i3-3220
2x4 G.Skill Ripjaw
GTX 460 2win
Corsair TX650
2x1TB WD HDDs
 
I would get a Core i5-3470. It's partially unlocked so you can get up to 4GHz (single core)/3.6GHz (all four cores). That way you can skimp on the cooler and just use the stock one, or you can use a cheapo Hyper 212+ or something if your case ventilation isn't that good. You can also get a lower-spec motherboard since it doesn't matter anymore if it can unlock multiplier, and save money there. I've seen 3470's on sale for around $180-190. The money you save from that you can put towards something else you need more. Keep in mind a 4GHz turbo'd 3470 is only 10% slower than a 4.4GHz turbo'd 3570K.

P.S. I have also seen 2500Ks go for $160-170 and that's a viable alternative as well, albeit hotter and power hungrier and slightly slower clock-for-clock.

Edit to add: I need to retract my mobo comment above. Get a z77 to overclock if you need to change the multiplier, just in case. I am not sure if other chipsets support partial overclocks. I know for sure z77 chipsets do support overclocks. I was on AMD mobos for so many years that I am way behind on the fine distinctions between Intel chipsets. Perhaps someone else will read this and offer better commentary!

Edit: 3.6Ghz not 3.8GHz... went off memory which was faulty, and my brain doesn't have error-correcting memory 😀
 
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I would get a Core i5-3470. It's partially unlocked so you can get up to 4GHz (single core)/3.8GHz (all four cores). That way you can skimp on the cooler and just use the stock one, or you can use a cheapo Hyper 212+ or something if your case ventilation isn't that good. You can also get a lower-spec motherboard since it doesn't matter anymore if it can unlock multiplier, and save money there. I've seen 3470's on sale for around $180-190. The money you save from that you can put towards something else you need more. Keep in mind a 4GHz turbo'd 3470 is only 10% slower than a 4.4GHz turbo'd 3570K.

P.S. I have also seen 2500Ks go for $160-170 and that's a viable alternative as well, albeit hotter and power hungrier and slightly slower clock-for-clock.

This is exactly the situation i am in. I have money for an i3 3220 which i was going to buy in a few days (which i already have a cheap LGA 1155 motherboard for), and i was considering an ivy quad core too.

However, how does 3470 reach 3,8hgz on all 4 cores ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)
The CPU is supposed to run at 3,2ghz on all 4 cores and 3,6ghz turbo.
I was thinking that 3,2ghz on 4 cores compared to 3,3ghz on 2 cores with HT is a small difference in games, especially since games barely use more than 2 cores efficiently, however if 3470 indeed can do 3,8 ghz 24/7 it is definitely worth the price. I also have a bottom of the barrel lga 1155 mobo, i cheapened out on it, will that overclocking from 3,2 to 3,8 be available still ?
 
This is exactly the situation i am in. I have money for an i3 3220 which i was going to buy in a few days (which i already have a cheap LGA 1155 motherboard for), and i was considering an ivy quad core too.

However, how does 3470 reach 3,8hgz on all 4 cores ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)
The CPU is supposed to run at 3,2ghz on all 4 cores and 3,6ghz turbo.
I was thinking that 3,2ghz on 4 cores compared to 3,3ghz on 2 cores with HT is a small difference in games, especially since games barely use more than 2 cores efficiently, however if 3470 indeed can do 3,8 ghz 24/7 it is definitely worth the price. I also have a bottom of the barrel lga 1155 mobo, i cheapened out on it, will that overclocking from 3,2 to 3,8 be available still ?

If the mobo supports changing multipliers (and honestly I haven't looked into much since all my mobos are z77s so they definitely do support changing multipliers), you can crank it up. I will edit my previous post to recommend z77's just in case.

http://hothardware.com/printarticle.aspx?articleid=1854 - This and many other articles and my own experience. You can hit 4GHz on one core turbo, topping out at 3.6GHz for all four cores.

Edit: sorry for late night posting, the topping out is apparently 3.6 for all four cores, not 3.8.. misremembered.
 
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If the mobo supports changing multipliers (and honestly I haven't looked into much since all my mobos are z77s so they definitely do support changing multipliers), you can crank it up. I will edit my previous post to recommend z77's just in case.

http://hothardware.com/printarticle.aspx?articleid=1854 - This and many other articles and my own experience. You can hit 4GHz on one core turbo, topping out at 3.8GHz for all four cores.

Thanks for the reply, and i was not aware that you can overclok the CPUs that have turbo 4 multipliers up. Does that work with all ivy bridge cpus that have a turbo, 400mhz up than default clock ?

I just checked my mobo's bios, which is a Asus P8 H61M-LE and it has a CPU ratio setting, however it is greyed out now with the CPU i use now, a Celeron G540, but maybe it would get enabled with a cpu that has turbo. I am on a tight budget so the extra money spent on a quad ivy would only be worth it if i can increase the multi on my botherboard.

I guess i will get a i3 3220 since i am unsure if i will be able to overclock an i5 with turbo on my mobo.
 
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However, how does 3470 reach 3,8hgz on all 4 cores ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)
The CPU is supposed to run at 3,2ghz on all 4 cores and 3,6ghz turbo.
That's the new IVB turbo implementation. It turbos up by +2 for loads on 4 or 3 cores, and by +4 when 2 or 1 cores are in use. Sandy Bridge used 4 different turbo steppings, for each of 4/3/2/1 cores used.

I can verify that this works, my 3550 goes to 3.9 GHz on loads like Prime95 or IntelBurnTest. And the turbo doesn't go down even if you get close to throttling the CPU – I got one core to 102°C during initial testing with BCLK overclocking, but the mulitplier stayed at 39.

I was thinking that 3,2ghz on 4 cores compared to 3,3ghz on 2 cores with HT is a small difference in games, especially since games barely use more than 2 cores efficiently, however if 3470 indeed can do 3,8 ghz 24/7 it is definitely worth the price.
While most games use only 2 cores, a few already can make use of more cores. But the 3470 would also reach 4.0GHz with 2 cores loaded, so it'll be much faster than any i3 on programs which need only 1 or 2 cores.

I also have a bottom of the barrel lga 1155 mobo, i cheapened out on it, will that overclocking from 3,2 to 3,8 be available still ?
Depends on the chipset and mobo. You should be able to find information on that with Google. Oh, and if you ask such a question, providing the mobo manufacturer and type doesn't hurt. 🙂
 
Thanks for the reply, and i was not aware that you can overclok the CPUs that have turbo 4 multipliers up. Does that work with all ivy bridge cpus that have a turbo, 400mhz up than default clock ?
Yes.

I just checked my mobo's bios, which is a Asus P8 H61M-LE and it has a CPU ratio setting, however it is greyed out now with the CPU i use now, a Celeron G540, but maybe it would get enabled with a cpu that has turbo. I am on a tight budget so the extra money spent on a quad ivy would only be worth it if i can increase the multi on my botherboard.

I guess i will get a i3 3220 since i am unsure if i will be able to overclock an i5 with turbo on my mobo.
I just checked Google. No turbo OC'ing on H-series chipsets. Some seem to offer GPU and/or BCLK OC'ing, but that's not interesting. So, you're better off with the i3. But for the future: never cheap out on the motherboard. Cheap motherboards are too expensive.
 
That's the new IVB turbo implementation. It turbos up by +2 for loads on 4 or 3 cores, and by +4 when 2 or 1 cores are in use. Sandy Bridge used 4 different turbo steppings, for each of 4/3/2/1 cores used.

I can verify that this works, my 3550 goes to 3.9 GHz on loads like Prime95 or IntelBurnTest. And the turbo doesn't go down even if you get close to throttling the CPU – I got one core to 102°C during initial testing with BCLK overclocking, but the mulitplier stayed at 39.

While most games use only 2 cores, a few already can make use of more cores. But the 3470 would also reach 4.0GHz with 2 cores loaded, so it'll be much faster than any i3 on programs which need only 1 or 2 cores.

Depends on the chipset and mobo. You should be able to find information on that with Google. Oh, and if you ask such a question, providing the mobo manufacturer and type doesn't hurt. 🙂

I just checked Google. No turbo OC'ing on H-series chipsets. Some seem to offer GPU and/or BCLK OC'ing, but that's not interesting. So, you're better off with the i3. But for the future: never cheap out on the motherboard. Cheap motherboards are too expensive.

Thanks a lot for the help Pilum, this is all the information i was looking for. I agree regarding the cheap motherboard, however, i had a small budged when i bought the computer and i still do now. It is ok that i am getting the i3, it is enough for what i need now, and i enjoy less the new games, too superficial for me, and i also save on buying new games by replaying the older ones.

As an example X3 Albion uses 1 core and a half, and it uses the CPU heavily, and with mods i can easily get 20 fps, so i cut back part of the mods and i get 40fps now. So as long as the single threaded performance is good, i don't care for this game if i have 2 cores or 8 cores.
Skyrim with many graphical mods runs at an average of 45 fps with high settings outside, and 90% of the time that is bottlnecked because of the CPU, not GPU, as seen by GPU usage and by that overclocking the GPU does nothing.
Another example is Orcs must die 2, after the map gets crowded by monsters and traps, i get 30 fps, and i guess it uses 2 cores only.
There are even older games like Titan Quest and Counter strike source and Dungeon siege 2, where the frame rate gets below 60, up to 30 fps, because of many monsters/effects/players/large maps. CS source is threaded, but uses 2 cores only.
I also play Civ 4, endgame i get to 30 fps and the wait for the enemy to finish turn starts to be bothersome.

I also say this as a small rant to players to keep advising a strong GPU and a weaker CPU. With my HD 6850, except Skyrim in rare cases, on the games i play the GPU usage is always below 100% and at around 25% in games like CS source and X3 albion, and this is with 8x AA and 16x AF.

If somebody gave me for free a 7970 GE or a gtx 680 on the condition i am unable to sell it or downclock it to save power would refuse it, since i would get a larger power bill with the same fps on the games i play. With mods in X3 albion, i would need a roughly 3x faster CPU than G540 to always have a solid 60 fps, which would be the equivalent of a 6,7 ghz dual core Ivy.
 
I just read a review saying the gtx460 2win is about on par with the 580, so that doesn't seem to be an issue. I only have an old 720p TV as a monitor for now anyway. I just wondered if the i3 would bottleneck the 2 GPUs.

I also do plan on upgrading this rig for as long as I possibly can. New monitor, CPU, PSU, Keybord/mouse, SSD. Then amenities like 16GB RAM, more USB3.0, a BD-R drive. So I won't have a problem upgrading it, so I think I'll get the i3. Thanks.

And I know that Battlefield is a very high spec game. I plan on playing others like SC2, ArmaII, and I was hoping GW2.

Surprises me that GW2 is hard on the CPU, or anything else for that matter. GW1 runs on this piece of junk with no issues. Pentium 4 HT, 128MB video card (I was suprised to learn it was discrete at all), and 1GB RAM. I think it's getting close to nine years old.

New (first) Build:
Phantom Full-Tower Case
Intel BOXDZ77BH55K
i3-3220
2x4 G.Skill Ripjaw
GTX 460 2win
Corsair TX650
2x1TB WD HDDs

From what ive seen ARMA 2 is a GPU intensive game, OC'd my CPU from 3.0 to 4.3 and saw a FPS improvment of 5 fps, OC'd my 470's from 607 to 700 and my FPS doubled.
 
Haswell is around the corner. Wait and upgrade to Haswell which will be a new socket.

I wonder if HSF etc fit with haswell ?
 
Yeah sorry for wrong specs, a i5-3470 goes up to 4GHz single thread, and all four 3.6Ghz, not 3.8GHz. I misremembered and thought it was 4/3.8. The point is that you can get a 4/3.6GHz Ivy Bridge processor for something like $30 less, and you can even run it on the stock cooler (I built a 3470 for my gf and run it with stock cooler.. as long as the case is well cooled, you should be fine).

But you still need a z77 motherboard for unlocking multipliers, apparently.

It sounds like money is tight for you, and if so, this is a great way to get bang for the buck. If I had known that 3470s were partially unlocked, I would have gotten that instead of the 3570K, and I would have saved $60 (from lower CPU price + not having to buy a Hyper 212 EVO cooler). By the time a 3470@4GHz/3.6GHz is not enough for games, a 3570K will also be obsolete, too, so you may as well save money now and keep it for a future purchase.. or spend it on something else that may help you more than the tiny incremental gain you'd get from an oc'd 3570K.
 
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