Should he be executed?

effee

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http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/co..._page/0,5936,17211745%255E1702,00.html

SINGAPORE'S Prisons Department has drawn a veil of silence over the impending execution of convicted Australian drug trafficker Van Tuong Nguyen.

Today it rebuffed inquiries about how it handles final arrangements for death row inmates.

Its refusal to detail standard practices for executions in the city-state echoed a decision midweek from the Government, which offered no new response to a complaint filed with the UN by local anti-death penalty activists.

The controversial case has also received scant attention in Singapore's print and broadcast media, which has strong links to the Government and is broadly supportive of its policies.

Nguyen, 25, was arrested carrying almost 400 grams of heroin at Singapore's Changi airport while in transit from Cambodia to Australia in 2002.






All pleas for clemency have been rejected, and the chances of a reprieve appear very slim.

Nguyen's lead lawyer in Australia, Lex Lasry, said he expected that Nguyen would be hanged in "three or four weeks", although activists here had incorrectly feared that he could be put to death as soon as today.

Singapore's Prisons Department refused to answer today whether death row inmates such as Nguyen were offered a final meal, who attended executions, and how many prisoners remained on death row.

The department can oversee the execution of as many as 50 inmates a year.

Human rights group Amnesty International has said the city-state probably executes more prisoners than any other country worldwide relative to its size.

According to official figures, 340 people were hanged in Singapore between 1991 and 2000.

Nguyen's case has not received much media coverage locally, and what reporting there has been has sometimes been out of date.

The Straits Times, the main English-language daily, reported on Wednesday about a rare gathering of anti-death penalty activists that happened on Monday. The item was run as a brief.

There has, however, been a handful of letters to the press from both Singaporeans and Australians.

Jonathan Ariel from NSW wrote to the newspaper last month that "countless Australians have disgraced themselves attacking Singapore" over the case.

Writing to Today, a local tabloid, Jacqueline Tan, said this week the Australian's case was "tragic", but she did not urge clemency.

A comment piece in today's edition of The Straits Times offered no debate about the merits of capital punishment, but argued that opponents of the practice needed to defend child killers and terrorists to be consistent and credible.
 

effee

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So basically, this is a big issue here. If we let him go, it might give a wrong example to other future drug traffickers who transit here. If we do execute him, basically it'll probably worsen relations with AU.

I'm for execution though, a firm message is needed to be sent out warning against future offenders.

What do you say?
 

effee

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Why not? Other traffickers will get the idea that the law bends to their government
 

Viper GTS

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Let Darwin have him, if he's stupid enough to smuggle drugs through a country that has capital punishment for drug charges...

Viper GTS
 

KLin

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Don't fsck around in Singapore. You either get caned or executed.
 

fishmonger12

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i thought it was a crime fit the punishment kind of thing, not a let him go or execute him thing.

drugs are no reason to kill someone....... unless you're a heroin addict.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Originally posted by: effee
Why not? Other traffickers will get the idea that the law bends to their government

Because he didn't cause any physical harm to anyone. And if he was in transit from Cambodia to Australia, wouldn't that mean he wasn't even going to stay in Singapore?
 

the customs form they give you on the plane has GIANT red letters reading "DEATH TO ALL DRUG TRAFFICKERS"

he signed it

put him down
 

effee

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Yep, thats correct, he wasn't going into Singapore itself. He set off the security scanners on his flight to AU and thats where they found the drugs. However, techically he is still governed by Singapore law.

Also, he didn't cause physical harm yes. But the drugs he is carrying and will distribute will surely cause more damage.
 
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singapore is a messed up place...i have a friend who lives there now and hates it...but a company paid for him to go to school in the US so he owes them a certian amount of years at their company
 

Ronstang

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All drug trafficers should be executed in my opinion, I only wish we could do such here in the US. I hope he enjoys that walk to the gallows.
 

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This is very common in places like Singapore and Malaysia. I don't think it's right, but that's up to them and the idoits that dare try stuff liek this over there.
 

effee

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He will be executed at dawn on the 2nd of Dec. His mother should be already here saying her farewells.
 

effee

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Oh, and I forgot to add, he was smuggling drugs to pay off debts of his older brother.
 

KLin

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Originally posted by: effee
Oh, and I forgot to add, he was smuggling drugs to pay off debts of his older brother.

Maybe next time he'll learn not to fix other people's problems. Oh wait a sec, there won't be a next time :eek:.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: effee
Oh, and I forgot to add, he was smuggling drugs to pay off debts of his older brother.


Oh well, the reason for breaking laws in never a justification. Goodbye....have a nice drop.
 

effee

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So if the majority of you guys see it the same way I do, why can't the Australians see it that way too? Or have they always been a carebear country
 

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Originally posted by: effee
So basically, this is a big issue here. If we let him go, it might give a wrong example to other future drug traffickers who transit here. If we do execute him, basically it'll probably worsen relations with AU.

I'm for execution though, a firm message is needed to be sent out warning against future offenders.

What do you say?

Yes, we all know how well those 'firm messages' work at preventing drug trafficking and useage. Infact we should just sentence all criminals to death, then we could live in a crime free utopia since no one would commit crimes anymore.

I suggest we start by sentencing all traffic violators to death. Once the police put big warning signs on all roads stating "DEATH TO ALL SPEEDERS! TRAFFIC VIOLATION PUNISHABLE BY DEATH!" I'm sure everyone will think twice before speeding. Then when some idiot actually gets caught speeding or rolling a stop sign we can all say "finish him!" in good faith knowing it will prevent future offenses.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Anything less than upholding the law would be embracing the idea that people are not responsible for their actions.

...or some other such drunken confusion. ;)
 

Ready

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Originally posted by: effee
Oh, and I forgot to add, he was smuggling drugs to pay off debts of his older brother.

and the mafia said they would kill his brother unless he comes through!
(added for dramatization but not necessary true)


Seriously, if Singapore is executing people who are on a connection flight through their country, they should just reroute everything around them then. Guess I'll never take a vacation there. Hate to spend life in jail just because somebody planted some weeds in my luggage