Should Democrats take Manchin's small ball deal?

[kt]

I'm quite interested in seeing if this bill passes or not.

I am on the fence about installing solar panels on my house. I have the perfect roof for it, but my electricity rates are so low that it just doesn't quite make financial sense. There is a 26% federal tax credit and everything needs to be installed by Dec 31, 2022 to get that credit (the credit drops to a value that makes this a bad idea on Jan 1, 2023). Thus, I realistically have about a month to get the panel installation going if I want it installed this year. Looks like this compromise has upped the federal credit to 30% and that lasts until the end of next year. That change, while small, just barely puts the solar panels into the good idea column and eliminates any rush.

Would the 30% federal credit apply retroactively? We signed up for installing solar panels a few weeks ago. It's a small percentage increase but considering the cost of a PV system the dollar amount is still significant.

 

[hal2kilo]

Did....did the fucking democrats just do a politics?


Im impressed. That was quite the devious ruse.

Why yes they did.

Joe Manchin “publicly played” Mitch McConnell and “tricked” him into giving up all his leverage | Salon.com

 

[dullard]

Would the 30% federal credit apply retroactively? We signed up for installing solar panels a few weeks ago. It's a small percentage increase but considering the cost of a PV system the dollar amount is still significant.

The text can always change before the bill has passed. But at the moment, it appears that the 30% is for any system that was placed in service (i.e. turned on for the first time) from Jan 1, 2022 to Dec 31, 2032.

See page 344, lines 23 to 25. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22122281/inflation_reduction_act_of_2022.pdf

 

[cytg111]

So thread title should now be Manchins big ball… but… you know…. there is levels of comfortable

 

[MrSquished]

Will count our chickens when they hatch but I'll be impressed if they do. Looking optimistic a bit here

 

[dlerious]

My question was more about what qualifies them to be a Dem? They dont seem to have many affiliations to the party platform. Does the DNC get to decide who is a Dem, or does each person get to just say "hey im a Dem, vote for me" when in reality they dont have anything in common with the Dems on policy.

Has the DNC tried to primary him out with an actual Dem candidate?

At the very least, they should remove him as chairman of the Energy and Natural Resources committee.

 

[woolfe9998]

Why yes they did.

Joe Manchin “publicly played” Mitch McConnell and “tricked” him into giving up all his leverage | Salon.com

Yep, this is what I was talking about before. McConnell seems to have been beaten at his own game for a change.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Yep, this is what I was talking about before. McConnell seems to have been beaten at his own game for a change.

If/when this passes and signed by Biden, I hope Democrats give McConnell a big fuck you address to the public and say "here's what we can deliver. All Republicans could do was try to take away healthcare and give tax cuts to the rich"

 

[dlerious]

Some might look at that as enabling addiction. How many times have we seen this act repeated by Democrats. The problem with America is that it is a right wing nation and the American people in their utter brainwashed ignorance won't let the left fix it.

Democrats should be talking about little else than that in my opinion. If they pass crumbs they should announce them as that, not as political compromise victories.

Are we really a right wing nation? Looking at polling on actual policy issues like expanded health care, combating climate change, legalizing marijuana, and other policies, it seems a majority of the public favors a left wing approach.

 

[akenbennu]

Are we really a right wing nation? Looking at polling on actual policy issues like expanded health care, combating climate change, legalizing marijuana, and other policies, it seems a majority of the public favors a left wing approach.

Our system tends to favor minority rule, so the Republicans get to gerrymander their way into office and just say "No." to everything that their 30% base won't go with.

 

[dlerious]

You just have to do a search on the internet for pictures of goats. I leave the rest up to your imagination. But no matter which you pick to be Manchin you won't be far wrong. Look for one with a goat hair suit and direct deposit into his savings account from the coal and pharmaceuticals.

Just make sure you don't have a typo - goatse.

 

[kt]

The text can always change before the bill has passed. But at the moment, it appears that the 30% is for any system that was placed in service (i.e. turned on for the first time) from Jan 1, 2022 to Dec 31, 2022.

See page 344, lines 23 to 25. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22122281/inflation_reduction_act_of_2022.pdf

Document says after Dec 31, 2021 and before Jan 1, 2033. Is that a typo in the document or on your part? If it's true that the 30% federal tax credit expires end of 2032, that's another decade away!

 

[dlerious]

Our system tends to favor minority rule, so the Republicans get to gerrymander their way into office and just say "No." to everything that their 30% base won't go with.

The lack of competitive races isn't good. There's no incentive to really do anything when the party knows it'll still be their party in power if the current politician is voted out. There for a while it seemed like the republicans would manage to get control of the state houses during the census years (10 yr) and proceed to redistrict in their favor.

 

[dullard]

Document says after Dec 31, 2021 and before Jan 1, 2033. Is that a typo in the document or on your part? If it's true that the 30% federal tax credit expires end of 2032, that's another decade away!

Looks like I made a typo. Solar power will be cheaper for a decade. Although, I do wonder if the solar panels/installers will just jack up their prices accordingly.

 

[Lezunto]

HomerJS is giving us a warning about Sinema agreeing to this. I would not ignore it.

I am impressed Schumer and Manchin agreed to a deal. If this deal goes through, then the Dems have a fighting chance.

Maybe Joe Manchin fancies goats wearing make-up that dance by the flickering flames of coal fires.

At any rate if this passes, who is buying the beer? Liquor? Xanax? Condoms?

I'm a senior citizen. Don't know what else young folks imbibe today.

 

[woolfe9998]

I hear Sinema no showed for the dem caucus meeting today. Not a good sign.

 

[K1052]

I hear Sinema no showed for the dem caucus meeting today. Not a good sign.

The SALT guys are backing down so if she wants to step out and block this she'd be all on her lonesome.
Making one's self the sole target of all intra-party anger and angst is probably not the move she'll decide on.

 

[Pens1566]

I hear Sinema no showed for the dem caucus meeting today. Not a good sign.

I can't wait to see how she goes about stopping this in some amazing "look at me" fashion.

 

[thilanliyan]

The SALT guys are backing down so if she wants to step out and block this she'd be all on her lonesome.
Making one's self the sole target of all intra-party anger and angst is probably not the move she'll decide on.

That might be exactly why she does it
She gets to feel important then.

 

[K1052]

That might be exactly why she does it
She gets to feel important then.

There is attention seeking and there is having to disappear off the face of the earth. I think this falls into the latter category. This is a career ender.

 

[Pens1566]

There is attention seeking and there is having to disappear off the face of the earth. I think this falls into the latter category. This is a career ender.

 

[Fenixgoon]

One down, one to go...

Congress passes bill boosting US semiconductor production | CNN Politics

The House of Representatives on Thursday passed a long-awaited bill aimed at boosting US semiconductor production in a bid to increase American competitiveness, a bipartisan achievement that will send tens of billions of dollars into American manufacturing and scientific research.

www.cnn.com

 

[uclaLabrat]

Schumer out-turtled the turtle? Color me pleasantly surprised.

Seriously...using manchin as a stalking horse on reconciliation to get USICA through and then turning around and just shitblasting reconciliation is just *chefs kiss*

 

[K1052]

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There is no way she'd survive a D primary. They are already pissed at her and Gallego would almost literally drown in cash.

She could try for the R slot I guess but lol.

 

[uclaLabrat]

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As esky has pointed out, she doesnt have manchins leverage. You cant get another dem senator out of WV. You absolutely can get another dem senator out of AZ.