If I recall, it seems like unlike other times, this time Manchin is spearheading the announcement of the deal, instead of others announcing they reached a deal with him.Yep. We've had his verbal before and he backed out.
If it's true, I'm wondering if Joe is reading tea leaves here.
You just have to do a search on the internet for pictures of goats. I leave the rest up to your imagination. But no matter which you pick to be Manchin you won't be far wrong. Look for one with a goat hair suit and direct deposit into his savings account from the coal and pharmaceuticals.Did somebody find photos of Manchin with goats?
For those of us not paying attention can someone sum up how they managed to get potentially get this passed?
Id oresume they had her support before being so bold as to make an announcement but weve seen mlre stupid things happen.What about Sinema? She could still scuttle the whole thing.
If this turns out to get passed this is a huge deal.
Id oresume they had her support before being so bold as to make an announcement but weve seen mlre stupid things happen.
Considering how many times he's done the Lucy/Charlie Brown football gag...Exactly.
That IF is a freaking mount Everest. Plans to scale it are one thing. Commitment and accomplishment is quite another.
Manchin only proves himself if he follows through.
The fact that they so stubbornly refuse to use proxy voting is fucking stupid. The decisions Congress makes are important - they should not depend on people being in a specific physical location.Durbin has Covid. Hopefully that won’t derail reconciliation.
So .. Manchin is voting with his wallet right?
Why not bribe him? Give his company exclusive rights to coal mining in the US in exchange for, well, everything?
I saw some commentary on the news, but now cannot recall which station, which said that Schumer got McConnell to support the chips bill by assuring him that reconciliation was dead for this year. Then made this deal with Manchin that surprised everyone. And that now McConnell is so pissed, he is lobbying House repugs to vote against the chips bill.
The story also said that progressives had initially opposed the chips bill (Sanders voted against it) as a corporate giveaway, but now are supporting it because they are happy with this new bill. If so, then they don't need repug support in the House to pass the chips bill. So it may be that the dems have successfully played some hardball here.
However, neither bill has passed yet. We still don't know how Sinema will react to the reconciliation bill.
I do wonder if Sinema will try to sabotage it - it would get her a lot of attention which seems to be what she's primarily after.I saw some commentary on the news, but now cannot recall which station, which said that Schumer got McConnell to support the chips bill by assuring him that reconciliation was dead for this year. Then made this deal with Manchin that surprised everyone. And that now McConnell is so pissed, he is lobbying House repugs to vote against the chips bill.
The story also said that progressives had initially opposed the chips bill (Sanders voted against it) as a corporate giveaway, but now are supporting it because they are happy with this new bill. If so, then they don't need repug support in the House to pass the chips bill. So it may be that the dems have successfully played some hardball here.
However, neither bill has passed yet. We still don't know how Sinema will react to the reconciliation bill.
I do wonder if Sinema will try to sabotage it - it would get her a lot of attention which seems to be what she's primarily after.
I do wonder if Sinema will try to sabotage it - it would get her a lot of attention which seems to be what she's primarily after.
Yes that could be. What we know of her past positions is that she supports clean energy legislation but doesn't support a corporate tax increase, or allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices. Both of which are needed to fund the bill. And if they can't fund it, Manchin will drop support.
She previously ok'd a 15% min corp tax and a package of drug pricing. As long as the bill conforms to that objections should be minimal but we'll see.
I saw some commentary on the news, but now cannot recall which station, which said that Schumer got McConnell to support the chips bill by assuring him that reconciliation was dead for this year. Then made this deal with Manchin that surprised everyone. And that now McConnell is so pissed, he is lobbying House repugs to vote against the chips bill.
The story also said that progressives had initially opposed the chips bill (Sanders voted against it) as a corporate giveaway, but now are supporting it because they are happy with this new bill. If so, then they don't need repug support in the House to pass the chips bill. So it may be that the dems have successfully played some hardball here.
However, neither bill has passed yet. We still don't know how Sinema will react to the reconciliation bill.
Sounds like a big deal if it passes. I've been thinking about adding more panels and a battery backup on to my rooftop solar, as well as replacing my heat pump condenser with a bigger one and adding a couple more wall units .. wasn't expecting any help with that from the feds but makes it all a no-brainer if it's real.
I read that the EV credits as currently planned subsidize SUVs and pickups more than sedans and coupes, which is stupid. Big dumb vehicles are still wasteful and unnecessary EV or not, and make driving worse for everyone else. Oh well, still a net win.