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Should Delgado be given the MVP award for 2002 now that A-Roid has come clean?

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thereds

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Yes.

This is like Carl Lewis getting gold after Ben Johnson was tested positive except it probably works differently in baseball where everyone was doing it.
 
I think any professional athlete that cheats should have to not only surrender any awards they won but also give back any salary paid during that time.
 
Originally posted by: NSFW
I think any professional athlete that cheats should have to not only surrender any awards they won but also give back any salary paid during that time.
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Steroids weren't banned by baseball at the time, so your point concerning A-Rod in 2002 is moot.
 
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: NSFW
I think any professional athlete that cheats should have to not only surrender any awards they won but also give back any salary paid during that time.
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Steroids weren't banned by baseball at the time, so your point concerning A-Rod in 2002 is moot.
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So A rod could have taken steroids on the field in front of the TV cameras? He could have signed an endorsement deal with the drug manufacturer?
 
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: NSFW
I think any professional athlete that cheats should have to not only surrender any awards they won but also give back any salary paid during that time.
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Steroids weren't banned by baseball at the time, so your point concerning A-Rod in 2002 is moot.
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They were still illegal, no?
 
Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: NSFW
I think any professional athlete that cheats should have to not only surrender any awards they won but also give back any salary paid during that time.
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Steroids weren't banned by baseball at the time, so your point concerning A-Rod in 2002 is moot.
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They were still illegal, no?
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So he should be charged with federal crimes. Whoever sold him the steroids should be prosecuted, but his baseball record should stand. The argument being put forward here essentially is that if A-Rod didn't dope, Delgado would have won the MVP in 2002. Can we really say that with any degree of certainty? There are way too many factors at play here. It's the same argument put forth by the Eagles when the Patriots' scandal broke -- "we lost to them in the Super Bowl, so now we should be declared the winners." It doesn't work that way. Sports are way too complicated to simply say if "if not A then definitely B."

Unless A-Rod has been doping his entire career, I don't see any evidence that these steroids helped him. Maybe they improved his recovery, or allowed him to compete at such a high level in the Texas heat, but his raw numbers from those years don't particularly jump off the page as exceptional or remarkable when compared with his body of work.

I don't like A-Rod, but I also think that it is despicable that these test results came to light. Players submitted to testing under the agreement that the results would be for internal use only -- they would never, under any circumstances, see the light of day. Now, those results are public and the players were basically lied to.
 
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: NSFW
I think any professional athlete that cheats should have to not only surrender any awards they won but also give back any salary paid during that time.
Click to expand...

Steroids weren't banned by baseball at the time, so your point concerning A-Rod in 2002 is moot.
Click to expand...

They were still illegal, no?
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So he should be charged with federal crimes. Whoever sold him the steroids should be prosecuted, but his baseball record should stand. The argument being put forward here essentially is that if A-Rod didn't dope, Delgado would have won the MVP in 2002. Can we really say that with any degree of certainty? There are way too many factors at play here. It's the same argument put forth by the Eagles when the Patriots' scandal broke -- "we lost to them in the Super Bowl, so now we should be declared the winners." It doesn't work that way. Sports are way too complicated to simply say if "if not A then definitely B."

Unless A-Rod has been doping his entire career, I don't see any evidence that these steroids helped him. Maybe they improved his recovery, or allowed him to compete at such a high level in the Texas heat, but his raw numbers from those years don't particularly jump off the page as exceptional or remarkable when compared with his body of work.

I don't like A-Rod, but I also think that it is despicable that these test results came to light. Players submitted to testing under the agreement that the results would be for internal use only -- they would never, under any circumstances, see the light of day. Now, those results are public and the players were basically lied to.
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x10
 
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: NSFW
I think any professional athlete that cheats should have to not only surrender any awards they won but also give back any salary paid during that time.
Click to expand...

Steroids weren't banned by baseball at the time, so your point concerning A-Rod in 2002 is moot.
Click to expand...

They were still illegal, no?
Click to expand...

So he should be charged with federal crimes. Whoever sold him the steroids should be prosecuted, but his baseball record should stand. The argument being put forward here essentially is that if A-Rod didn't dope, Delgado would have won the MVP in 2002. Can we really say that with any degree of certainty? There are way too many factors at play here. It's the same argument put forth by the Eagles when the Patriots' scandal broke -- "we lost to them in the Super Bowl, so now we should be declared the winners." It doesn't work that way. Sports are way too complicated to simply say if "if not A then definitely B."

Unless A-Rod has been doping his entire career, I don't see any evidence that these steroids helped him. Maybe they improved his recovery, or allowed him to compete at such a high level in the Texas heat, but his raw numbers from those years don't particularly jump off the page as exceptional or remarkable when compared with his body of work.

I don't like A-Rod, but I also think that it is despicable that these test results came to light. Players submitted to testing under the agreement that the results would be for internal use only -- they would never, under any circumstances, see the light of day. Now, those results are public and the players were basically lied to.
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Probably not.
 
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
I don't like A-Rod, but I also think that it is despicable that these test results came to light. Players submitted to testing under the agreement that the results would be for internal use only -- they would never, under any circumstances, see the light of day. Now, those results are public and the players were basically lied to.
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I wonder if he has a case for lost endorsement deals against the league?
 
Originally posted by: yankeesfan
In my mind Delgado was using as well.
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Omg, how did you finally find out . . . discarded needles rattling around in your cranium? :shocked:
 
Originally posted by: NSFW
I think any professional athlete that cheats should have to not only surrender any awards they won but also give back any salary paid during that time.
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i think any person who has ever cheated in college should surrender their diploma and give back any salary from any job they got from putting that college on their resume.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
No, it wasn't against the rules.
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Yes it was.

1991 Memo by then Commissioner Fay Vincent which says:

? The possession, sale, or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by major league players and personnel is strictly prohibited. Those involved in the possession, sale, or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance are subject to discipline by the commissioner and risk permanent expulsion from the game.
? In addition to any discipline this office may impose, a club may also take action under applicable provisions of and special covenants to the uniform player's contract. This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs and controlled substances, including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possession of the drug does not have a prescription.
? MLB recognizes that illegal drug use has become a national problem, and that some players and baseball personnel may fall victim to drugs. Baseball will not hesitate to permanently remove from the game those players and personnel who, despite our efforts to treat and rehabilitate, refuse to accept responsibility for the problem and continue to use illegal drugs. If any club covers up or otherwise fails to disclose to this office any information concerning drug use by a player, that club will be fined $250,000, the highest allowable amount under the Major League Agreement.
? MLB believes that its testing program is the most effective means available to deter and detect drug use. For admitted or detected drug users, testing will be a component of that individual's after-care program for the balance of his or her professional baseball career.
? This office will continue to search for positive and constructive methods of dealing with drug use. While baseball will attempt to treat and rehabilitate any player or personnel who falls victim to a drug problem, we will not hesitate to impose discipline, especially in those cases involving repeated offenses or refusals to participate in a recommended and appropriate course of treatment.
? If any club has a question about any aspect of the drug use program, please contact Louis Melendez, Associate Counsel, Major League Baseball Player Relations Committee.
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Someone posted this to your same answer in another thread.
 
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