Just wonder,,, If you are Christian, do you allow capital punishment(execution)?
I would say yea, cuz it may decrease criminal rate...just wonder...
I would say yea, cuz it may decrease criminal rate...just wonder...
Should Capital Punishment be allowed?
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3chordcharlie
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No, because
1. the state has should have no authority over life and death
2. when they have been granted such authority, they have made grievous errors, executing innocent people
3. the best evidence available shows no deterrent effect of capital punishment
When there is no doubt about a killer there should be an immediate public execution.
There was a lot less crime back in the early U.S. Western days, the few crimes that did get committed were sensational especially the executions.
There was so little crime, locks were not even needed or encouraged.
You mean the voilent West where crime was low cause people were too busy killing each other?
Yeah great model :roll:
Yeah great model :roll:
If you are christian and believe in eternal life, how is there a death penalty? Just Heavens Gate a little early, or perhaps hell. Send'em on and let God judge - says that in the bible - maybe a little weak on the send'em on part, but not on the judgement.
1. The state represents the people and society has a right to determine its own security.
2. If the cost of safety is a little less population, how is that bad if you aren't one of the mistakes? There are no perfect systems and mistakes spare as many as they cost.
3. The dead don't come back and repeat the crime. How is that not deterrent?
The cost to society for keeping a killer alive and well in prison is tremendous. Why pay it? Give the criminal no more sympathy than he/she did to the victim. Fix the criminal, not the system.
Only a fool would kill somebody to teach others not to kill. And once dead there is no fixing a mistake.
The death penalty may have been a necessary evil at a time before maximum security prisons.
The death penalty may have been a necessary evil at a time before maximum security prisons.
StageLeft
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Still costs more to put somebody through deathrow. In the inerest of justice the process must be strenuous and allow plenty of appeals. To make it cheaper than life in prison even more corners are cut. Yes, it costs more.
And no, it's not a deterrent to other criminals. For all intents and purposes somebody under max security cannot escape, so they are as safe to society in there as 6 feet under ground.
There is NO practical benefit to capital punishment. It is state-sponsored revenge, plain and simple.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html
The USA are the only first-world country in the whole globe that still applies it. Should make one wonder....
The USA are the only first-world country in the whole globe that still applies it. Should make one wonder....
cKGunslinger
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1. The state does NOT represent the people. The political power structure in place represents the state. The state is a function of government, regardless of what the population may or may not want.
2. The cost of safety is more than just "a little less population". The theoretical underpinnings of the American Justice system is the notion of fairness and well...justice. I for one cannot have faith in a justice system that is as flippant as your remarks, and nor should anybody.
3. It may prevent one individual from ever killing again, but the problem is that there is conflicting evidence on whether it is preventive of other individuals commiting similiar acts.
Christian or not one of the main "benefits" of capital punishment was its "ability" to act as a deterrent. Well, Texas has killed how many? Has crime stopped in Texas? No. Will it stop? No.
Capital punishment costs our government far more money than does a person serving life in prison. Eliminate the death penalty. It's useless.
Capital punishment costs our government far more money than does a person serving life in prison. Eliminate the death penalty. It's useless.
Not when you consider the years of appeals (gov't-paid lawyers) and years spent in a dedicated cell on death row.
It doesn't have to be a deterrent to toher criminals as long as it deters the one. I disagree that it doesn't deter others. Certainly the chance of life in prison or freedom on appeal does encourage them. Fast, sure death would certainly deter them. unfortunately, liberal leadership has made murder a crime with minor penalties, giving rise to other crimes becoming murders simply because the penalities for rape, assault and others being worse than the penality for murder. Kill the witness and get the lesser punishment! What a deal!
So, we are also the only country that is the southern neighbor of Canada. So what? Let the murders move to the countries that welcome them.
What if you are one of the mistakes? Can you imagine how that must feel, being imprisoned for years, knowing that you will be put to death for a crime you didn't commit, watching hope slowly die? Imagine the toll on your family. If private citizens inflicted such misery on another human being, regardless of their intentions, it would be classified as murder with aggravating circumstances. They might even get the death penalty for it :|.
In the event the system breaks down and an innocent person is executed, should we then prosecute the prosecuters, judges and jurors for torturing and killing an innocent person? Oh, wait, the judicial system has society's best interests at heart, even as it snuffs out the life of the unfortunate individual and destroys their family. Better to leave them completely unaccountable for these "errors" so we can continue to have our vengeance and pay lip service to deterrence.
I agree with you on that. We should eliminate those. Do it the Chinese way. A shot in the back of the head between the courtroom and the cell.
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