Should California be free?

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Should California be free?

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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Jesus fucking christ you are a stupid lump. I wasn't talking about actual welfare, I was making a metaphor.

Again, California pays more to the federal government than it receives in federal spending. Mississippi receives more federal spending than it sends in taxes. California could pay all of its welfare and medicaid money without federal support, whereas Mississippi cannot.

Do you seriously not understand my point?

Probably not...

Keep playing with yourself there bucko!

You are still deep in debt.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I for one think the rest of us would benefit from California being set free.

I vote on first releasing wherever it is that you live, then Kansas. Texas after that.

California pays more into the rest of the other states than any other (except maybe NY), and gets dick in return. This is on top of all of the other colossal problems and failures facing CA.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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I think we should keep California, just deport the majority of Californians...

At least deport the People who are blinded by their pride. Likely they wouldn't be able to find their way back :)
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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I think we should keep California, just deport the majority of Californians...

At least deport the People who are blinded by their pride. Likely they wouldn't be able to find their way back :)


Sez a resident of one of the fly-over states...

Silly flatlanders.
 

Train

Lifer
Jun 22, 2000
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California pays more into the rest of the other states than any other (except maybe NY), and gets dick in return. This is on top of all of the other colossal problems and failures facing CA.

For the billionth time:

CALIFORNIA DOES NOT PAY ANYTHING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.


Really rich people who like to live in beach houses in warm weather areas... pay the federal government.

The fact that these warm weather beaches are in CA does not somehow show that CA is getting dicked out of anything.

But something tells me you are not against the progressive taxation that causes this effect.
 
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BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Sez a resident of one of the fly-over states...

Silly flatlanders.

Exactly the attitude I'm talking about. :)

Also, it's not that flat. There is a mountain at the end of my block, the altitude climbs like 2 or 3 feet at the end when it gets to the T intersection with an arterial road!

My house was built on a mountain too, my neighbor's house is like 3 feet lower than mine!
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Exactly the attitude I'm talking about. :)

Also, it's not that flat. There is a mountain at the end of my block, the altitude climbs like 2 or 3 feet at the end when it gets to the T intersection with an arterial road!

My house was built on a mountain too, my neighbor's house is like 3 feet lower than mine!

Whoa...dude. Be careful you don't get a nosebleed when going up that mighty mountain!! :p
 

TheNinja

Lifer
Jan 22, 2003
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Yes, I am from California and would love to not have the weight of carrying the rest of you bastards! Do you realize how much agriculture and other products come from us? Do you realize how many businesses and how much money is in Silicon Valley and LA/Hollywood? Also, how much of the coastal ports we have? We'll mark our shit up and charge you double!! Muhahaha
 
Aug 23, 2000
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Wow. You posted a reply that is almost 100 percent incorrect.

California is only up to its eyeballs in dect because it pays far more to the Federal Government than it recieves back.

California is a bright spot in our economy. It funds the failed low tax states, primarily the Red states, and provides our country with some of the finest educational, scientific and agricultural resources.

The solution to stop buying "their insuffurable produce" would only mean fat America, once again the welfare queen Red states, would eat even less nutrionally healthy food. Oh, and Californias produce is generally not taxpayer subsidized like the corn, wheat and other staples from the, yet again, mostly Red low tax states.

Plesae provide sources of your data that California sends more money out. If you mean more federal income tax is sent out from employees and employers that's a whole lot different than saying California is sending out the money as the State is not. US citizens are. The State sepends a lot more than it brings in from it's own taxation. The glut of social programs and insane regulations are the cause of California's problems. Now if California dropped all the needless welfare programs and stopped enabling people to be loosers, they would be in a lot better position.
If you want to bring up welfare in the "South" as a defense to your arguement, realize that the vast majority of people that are on welfare vote Democrat. That's how the welfare system gets blown out of proportion.
 

Fern

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Sep 30, 2003
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and for some reason you think the rest of the US wouldn't need to restructure how their industry and economy operated? California is the most important state in the country. There is not one state that's more important to this country than California. It's impossible for the US to operate without California and it's impossible for California to operate without the rest of the US. It'd be more than just a decade or two for recovery. California produces so many goods for the rest of the world/country, it's more than just a few decades. All the infrastructure that would have to be built up to be re-routed would be insane. Plus all these companies that are fully ingrained here would need to move as well which isn't easy either. Plus all the extra money needing to import how much food products we make here would hurt the economy a lot as well.

Well, you're quite the cheerleader for CA.

Plus, you're quite simply wrong. Why would it be that if CA became it's own country it couldn't sell, or buy, to the other states? You do realize that's what countries do - buy and sell their products among each other.

No companies would need to move, other than perhaps some military contractors. You might also like to know that there a lot of military contractors outside of CA.

You might also like to know that there is a helluva lot of agriculture in other states. An awful lot of cattle and seafood etc.

There's also a lot of manufacturing and high tech (Research Triangle etc).

CA, and the rest of the USA, would do just fine if CA left. It would be an inconvenience, e.g., what to do with military bases there or establishing more border chackpoints etc. Heck, CA could establish it's Fed/Treasury and print all the money it wants like the US gov.

We would only lose about 1/6th of our entire federal tax revenue.
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No we wouldn't.

The money CA companies make from the rest of the states would be taxed in the (new) USA. Just like other foreign companies that operate here. Only small businesses that operate soley in CA would not pay income tax to the (new) USA. We'd lose some, but not that much, not near that much.

And that's why that red/blue state study so many are quoting here is utter crap. If the address on the corporate tax return is one from CA it assumes all their profits, and all the taxes they pay are attributable to CA. And that's bullshit of the worst kind.

Fern
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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Isn't Cali in debt up to their eyeballs?

They are like the epitome of our bad economy. Lots of debt and inflated housing. We can probably set cali free, and stop buying their insufferable produce.

The Republicans have screwed the budget and our debt. While we're a Democratic state, the Republicans got measures passed given their 1/3 minority veto power for the budget.

That was partially repealed and we have a new Democratic governor trying to balance the budget with massive spending cuts and continuing extra taxes.

The Republicans, naturally, are fighting him for ANY extension of the taxes and looking at passing their own resolution that declares any Republican who compromises a 'traitor'.

Secession is a non-issue. We'd largely benefit from it, but it's not going to happen. I'd happily let Texas go.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Plesae provide sources of your data that California sends more money out. If you mean more federal income tax is sent out from employees and employers that's a whole lot different than saying California is sending out the money as the State is not. US citizens are. The State sepends a lot more than it brings in from it's own taxation. The glut of social programs and insane regulations are the cause of California's problems. Now if California dropped all the needless welfare programs and stopped enabling people to be loosers, they would be in a lot better position.
If you want to bring up welfare in the "South" as a defense to your arguement, realize that the vast majority of people that are on welfare vote Democrat. That's how the welfare system gets blown out of proportion.

its not that hard to understand, you can't point your finger when your red states are on federal welfare...paid for in part by states like california.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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here we go, use google to look at the numbers.
http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...len=11&hl=en&dl=en&uniSize=0.035&iconSize=0.5

pulled from an article on endgaget. The article is about california but a general article about google's tools.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/28/visualized-google-charts-the-rise-and-fall-of-united-states-re/

raw debt figure for california is higher than michigan, yea no sh*t.

californias gdp is 5 times higher than michigans as well.

multiply it out based on gdp size and michigans debt is worse:p