Should Brett Favre retire already?

[torpid]

And yet Al Harris is their best CB. Ugh. Carroll sucks so much. I guess he might get better. Maybe.

I don't think favre should retire. He is still better than about half the QBs in the league. And once in a while he is truly brilliant (remember that MNF game after his father died??).

What he needs is one more good receiver (besides walker - driver is a good 3rd receiver but ferguson isn't too good) and a defense.

 

[bcterps]

Favre can still be a good QB if he realizes his role and what he can or can't do. Favre still has game left in him, but the question is whether he can handle a different role and playing style. If he can, he should play another season or 2. If he can't, he should retire.

 

[GimpyOne]

Just a thought about Farve's interceptions this year. If you watch the packers, half of them are due to:

a: Dumb reciever changing his route after the ball is in the air

b: Weak reciever letting the ball bounce out of or be pulled out of his hands before catch


Both of which get attributed to Farve and are really not his fault. His recieving core is really not as good as it used to be. They make the big plays which he didn't even have as much of when the won the super bowl, but they make many more mistakes than those recievers made.

So I think people should look at the circumstances for the statistics, not just what is happening. There is still is not another quarterback in the league that most coaches would pick if given the choice, with 2 minutes to go in the game and needing a touchdown to win.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: MDE
Yes, he should have retired ten years ago.

<-- Bears fan.

Yeah you wish...hehehe

Farve has at least 5 good years left in him. His WR's f'ed up on 2 of those Int's . Also our Defense sux bigtime and the Pack plays a ball control game so when we are behind it is hard for us to comeback.


I also believe if we had a star WR like owens's Farve's numbers would be astronomical. You guys have to realize that our WR's are young and very inexperienced.

Ausm

 

[cloude27]

Everbody has off days. Farve still had enought to win if he's defence didnt suck. How many QBs in the league could win the division with that team, expecially when you look at the start they had. Think about last year when the d blew a 4th and 26 to go to the NFC championship game. Farve is still a top 10 QB in the league!

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: Mill
When you have to carry your team you end up throwing picks. His completion percentage is high and he can still throw the deep ball. He's very accurate and is a hell of a leader. No, he shouldn't retire. Give him so fvcking talent to wokr with and it wouldn't be so damn bad.

Exactly. When your receivers can't run routes properly and your defense gives you NO breathing room on the scoreboard or solid field position, it's difficult to get through a game without a few interceptions.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: abc
his receivers ran poorly... brett's fault too though.. .and the defensive secondary blows...

They had a defensive secondary?

Sorry, but if a hobbling Moss can outrun them they have none.

Incidentally, I was laughing my ass off when Chris Collinsworth kept ranting about how the Packers D should adjust to Moss' injury and remove the double team, since he was "no longer a factor." TWO PLAYS later, Moss hobbles by the lone Packers corner and grabs the pass for the touchdown. Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. :laugh:

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: abc
his receivers ran poorly... brett's fault too though.. .and the defensive secondary blows...

They had a defensive secondary?

Sorry, but if a hobbling Moss can outrun them they have none.

Incidentally, I was laughing my ass off when Chris Collinsworth kept ranting about how the Packers D should adjust to Moss' injury and remove the double team, since he was "no longer a factor." TWO PLAYS later, Moss hobbles by the lone Packers corner and grabs the pass for the touchdown. Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. :laugh:

Personally I think Collinsworth should be shot that mofo really aggravates me...

Ausm

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: abc
his receivers ran poorly... brett's fault too though.. .and the defensive secondary blows...

They had a defensive secondary?

Sorry, but if a hobbling Moss can outrun them they have none.

Incidentally, I was laughing my ass off when Chris Collinsworth kept ranting about how the Packers D should adjust to Moss' injury and remove the double team, since he was "no longer a factor." TWO PLAYS later, Moss hobbles by the lone Packers corner and grabs the pass for the touchdown. Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. :laugh:

Collinsworth made the poor assumption that Harris wouldn't do something stupid (and we all know what happens when people "assume"). You jam Moss at the line and you keep him in check. You play off him and you get burned for a TD. So what does Harris decide to do?

The Packer's D was just full of mental mistakes (missed takcles, blown coverage, etc.).


Lethal

 

[OutHouse]

look at it this way, his stats are worse than Jake Plummers.

 

[Lucky]

I would have said no until I saw him chicken out and lob that illegal pass to avoid getting hit. He single handidly changed the game because he was afraid of getting clobbered. If he gave himself up he would have gotten the first down, if not the touchdown, and had his team within a TD at haltime instead of being down 2.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: abc
his receivers ran poorly... brett's fault too though.. .and the defensive secondary blows...

They had a defensive secondary?

Sorry, but if a hobbling Moss can outrun them they have none.

Incidentally, I was laughing my ass off when Chris Collinsworth kept ranting about how the Packers D should adjust to Moss' injury and remove the double team, since he was "no longer a factor." TWO PLAYS later, Moss hobbles by the lone Packers corner and grabs the pass for the touchdown. Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. :laugh:

Personally I think Collinsworth should be shot that mofo really aggravates me...

Ausm

Collingworth sucks, i have hated him since he said just before Superbowl XXXII. "...The Broncos could never beat the Packers on their best day even if the Packers were having their worst day..."

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Lucky
I would have said no until I saw him chicken out and lob that illegal pass to avoid getting hit. He single handidly changed the game because he was afraid of getting clobbered. If he gave himself up he would have gotten the first down, if not the touchdown, and had his team within a TD at haltime instead of being down 2.

I don't think it was because he feared being hit. He was about to go out of bounds and wouldn't have had the first down. He could have slid if afraid of being hit.

 

[NeoV]

Lucky, Favre could not have made a first down on that play - though he really should have just slid down, the penalty yards may have been the difference in that FG attempt that was ultimately missed.

Let's be realistic guys - Favre has always had a high interception total - his career numbers: 13,24,14,13,13,16,23,23,16,15,16,21,17.

This year was right about his average, no big deal.

He does have less mobility than he used to, and clearly his right hand isn't in great shape.

However, he's got a great offensive line, a great RB, and this year his WR corp came on strong - J.Walker had a breakout season, and D.Driver was solid....B.Franks really doesn't do much outside of the redzone, but he's ok.......so it's not like the talent around him stinks.....on that side of the ball anyway.....the Packer's D isn't very good - yesterday's game was actually one of their better efforts this year. When teams have to score a ton of points to win games, you are going to have mistakes made on offense, and Favre has never been shy about throwing into coverage anyway...

I think he'll come back, for no more than 2 more season...to say he has 5 more in him is just silly, he's not in the same kind of shape that a guy like Vinny Testaverde is in - that isn't a knock on Bret, but Vinny's a fitness freak

 

[GasX]

Brett Favre is a chucker. Always has been and always will be. When he is on fire he can make Peyton Manning seem like Eli Manning. When he is cold, he just throws the ball to the opponent a bunch of times. The thing is, he can be cold for most of the game and then get you at the end. He is still a dangerous player, a Green Bay icon and tremendous leader. On the other hand, he seems to be cold a lot more than hot these days...

Frankly, it is his life and his career. If he wants to play, more power to him. He is doing something I could never dream of doing, and he always plays and interviews like he knows that.

 

[Kelemvor]

What's with all the retiring comments after one horrible playoff game? They won the division so obviously they aren't all that bad. And the losing was mostly because of the piss poor defense than the lack of offense. If they hadn't gotten behidn 17 - 0 at the start he wouldn't have had to throw so much. Can't put all the blame on one person.

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: abc
his receivers ran poorly... brett's fault too though.. .and the defensive secondary blows...

They had a defensive secondary?

Sorry, but if a hobbling Moss can outrun them they have none.

Incidentally, I was laughing my ass off when Chris Collinsworth kept ranting about how the Packers D should adjust to Moss' injury and remove the double team, since he was "no longer a factor." TWO PLAYS later, Moss hobbles by the lone Packers corner and grabs the pass for the touchdown. Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. :laugh:

maybe they didnt need a safety to protect the deep vertical, but I think they need a LB to cover against that fake slant pattern Moss pulled. There should have been a LB covering that zone. Harris shouldn't have had to cover any slant patterns, just keep Moss in front of himself. But I have to guess Harris didn't think Moss would run any deep verticals, so he bit bad on the short pattern which was a fake slant.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
They won the division so obviously they aren't all that bad.

Normally I would agree but the entire NFC was horrible this season (it's pretty sad when teams w/o winning records get into the playoffs). All Green Bay had to do to win their division was come out above .500.


Lethal

 

[TheNinja]

I think he should stick around so that he can hand the Vikings more playoff wins.

<-- Vikings fan