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Should Biden agree to debate Trump?

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ewdotson said:
What on earth? He has a well documented history of being a lifelong stutterer. And I *do* actually agree that his stutter has gotten worse over the last several years. But the crap that's singled out as being evidence of his cognitive decline is still classic stuttering coping.

I didn't write this ... but I pretty much could have:
www.latimes.com

Op-Ed: In Joe Biden, I see the tricks of a master stutterer

As a stutterer, I recognize Biden's ability to rephrase a thought on-the-fly to avoid a problematic word or syllable.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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Biden was a stutterer as a child. He may have some remnant as an adult. However, stuttering doesn't just worsen with age, unless there is something like head trauma or a stroke.

Biden is having "senior moments." Standing on stage and saying that Mosely Braun was the only African American woman ever in the Senate when Kamala Harris is standing right next to you is not a stutter. And so many other things which cannot possibly be explained as stuttering.

I've seen both dementia (father) and ordinary cognitive decline (mother). Biden's resembles the latter, not the former. Same with Trump.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Biden was a stutterer as a child. He may have some remnant as an adult. However, stuttering doesn't just worsen with age, unless there is something like head trauma or a stroke.
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It never goes away entirely, and it doesn't necessarily require trauma to worsen with age.

Biden is having "senior moments." Standing on stage and saying that Mosely Braun was the only African American woman ever in the Senate when Kamala Harris is standing right next to you is not a stutter. And so many other things which cannot possibly be explained as stuttering.
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That example, I'll readily admit was a plain and simple brain fart. In contrast though, the time he "forgot" Obama's name was a really blatant example of a stutterer hitting a block and circumlocuting to get around it.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Biden is not a stutterer. I fail to see how that is a viable conclusion here when his verbal gaffes have gotten worse over the years. The fact it's gotten worse means it's age related. I doubt it's dementia, either. It's probably just ordinary cognitive decline, which we've also seen from Trump, based on comparing his speech from decades ago with now.
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Biden has said on TV that he has a stutter and practices to keep it in check. This is well known, Biden doesn't hide it.
 
I see no advantage for Biden to "debate" Drumpf. If it were an actual debate, then yes, but Trump has no clue what a debate is.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Biden has said on TV that he has a stutter and practices to keep it in check. This is well known, Biden doesn't hide it.
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The majority of Biden's gaffes simply can't be explained by stuttering. Nor can the apparent increase in prevalence of them. I have Googled extensively since we started this discussion and can't find a scientific source which says that stuttering worsens with age, unless by trauma or stroke.
 
woolfe9998 said:
The majority of Biden's gaffes simply can't be explained by stuttering. Nor can the apparent increase in prevalence of them. I have Googled extensively since we started this discussion and can't find a scientific source which says that stuttering worsens with age, unless by trauma or stroke.
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Sure. Ok. Then vote for the Orange Menace.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Sure. Ok. Then vote for the Orange Menace.
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If you read what I said earlier about both Biden and Trump experiencing cognitive decline as they age, you would realize what a fantastically stupid reply that was. I don't have to accept a narrative about Biden being a stutterer to prefer Biden over Trump.

And while we're at it, I'd prefer a hamster over Trump, which once again underscores how fantastically stupid that reply was.
 
woolfe9998 said:
If you read what I said earlier about both Biden and Trump experiencing cognitive decline as they age, you would realize what a fantastically stupid reply that was. I don't have to accept a narrative about Biden being a stutterer to prefer Biden over Trump.

And while we're at it, I'd prefer a hamster over Trump, which once again underscores how fantastically stupid that was reply was.
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It is not a stupid reply.
You have three choices

Choice one:
2nd term for the President

Choice two:
Joe Biden

Choice three:
Don't vote or toss your vote away on a 3rd party

Pretty simple stuff to figure out. Especially since Choice three is off the table. This is an either or question.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
It is not a stupid reply.
You have three choices

Choice one:
2nd term for the President

Choice two:
Joe Biden

Choice three:
Don't vote or toss your vote away on a 3rd party

Pretty simple stuff to figure out.
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This thread has nothing to do with who I'm going to vote for. Yet it's already clear from a high percentage of my last 2000 posts here who that will be. Yeah, your reply was completely absurd.
 
woolfe9998 said:
If you read what I said earlier about both Biden and Trump experiencing cognitive decline as they age, you would realize what a fantastically stupid reply that was. I don't have to accept a narrative about Biden being a stutterer to prefer Biden over Trump.

And while we're at it, I'd prefer a hamster over Trump, which once again underscores how fantastically stupid that was reply was.
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It’s about as dumb of a reply as stating that Biden isn’t a stutterer when there is a documented history of it and Biden has spoken about it in the distant past.

Do you think Biden is invoking an elaborate con here that spans decades? That’s some Barack Obama birth certificate conspiracy theory level stupidity right there.

What’s wrong with you?
 
ivwshane said:
It’s about as dumb of a reply as stating that Biden isn’t a stutterer when there is a documented history of it and Biden has spoken about it in the distant past.

Do you think Biden is invoking an elaborate con here that spans decades? That’s some Barack Obama birth certificate conspiracy theory level stupidity right there.

What’s wrong with you?
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As I already said, Biden may still have some remnants of childhood stuttering, but it doesn't explain the majority of his gaffes, and it doesn't explain the worsening with age.
 
In fairness, my comment on it seeming to have worsened with age is an *extremely* subjective impression. And I'm not saying all of Biden's gaffes are a result of his stuttering. I'm saying a very specific subset like his "forgetting" Obama's name and "forgetting" the Declaration of Independence are really very obvious examples of him engaging in stuttering coping mechanisms despite their being used as supposed evidence of his cognitive decline.

I hope y'all can appreciate that the reason I get so salty about this (and I know I do and I apologize) is that I very much have done the exact same sort of stuff my entire life and it's hard not to see "his circumlocuting is a sign of dementia" as a personal attack. Even though rationally, I know that's not how it's intended.

An excellent thread on the topic with specific examples:
threadreaderapp.com

Thread by @DistrictDawg: My thoughts on Joe Biden, stuttering, and public perception.…

Thread by @DistrictDawg: My thoughts on Joe Biden, stuttering, and public perception.…
threadreaderapp.com threadreaderapp.com
 
My guess is that Biden, as a liberal, will want to debate, believing as liberals do in the fact that being more rational will matter to people. It won't in my opinion but perhaps the decision to debate or not will be made for him, either by Trump or his own advisors. Personally, I think he will win either way. If I were to debate Trump I would do nothing but insult him as a traitor and mention that if he manages to become a dictator the first thing he will do is take people's guns and invite Russian troops in to do the taking.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
It is not a stupid reply.
You have three choices

Choice one:
2nd term for the President

Choice two:
Joe Biden

Choice three:
Don't vote or toss your vote away on a 3rd party

Pretty simple stuff to figure out. Especially since Choice three is off the table. This is an either or question.
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If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
 
Moonbeam said:
My guess is that Biden, as a liberal, will want to debate, believing as liberals do in the fact that being more rational will matter to people. It won't in my opinion but perhaps the decision to debate or not will be made for him, either by Trump or his own advisors. Personally, I think he will win either way. If I were to debate Trump I would do nothing but insult him as a traitor and mention that if he manages to become a dictator the first thing he will do is take people's guns and invite Russian troops in to do the taking.
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At this point, I personally think Biden will lose. Biden, at this point, doesn't want to take a stand beyond media manipulation. He s riding the media narrative or the DNC narrative and staying as neutral as possible regarding current affairs. Unless he comes out with original ideas hes toast. Imo of course. I actually doubt he'll be in place in November.
 
ewdotson said:
What on earth? He has a well documented history of being a lifelong stutterer. That's an unequivocal truth.

So far as it goes, I *do* actually agree that his stutter has gotten worse over the last several years. But the crap that's singled out as being evidence of his cognitive decline is still classic stuttering coping behavior.

www.theatlantic.com

What Joe Biden Can’t Bring Himself to Say

His verbal stumbles have voters worried about his mental fitness. Maybe they’d be more understanding if they knew he’s still fighting a stutter.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
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Facts don't change their concerns... remember how they chumped out for Tara? That was a thing to behold, huh? The rest of it is pretty much the same.
 
jmagg said:
At this point, I personally think Biden will lose. Biden, at this point, doesn't want to take a stand beyond media manipulation. He s riding the media narrative or the DNC narrative and staying as neutral as possible regarding current affairs. Unless he comes out with original ideas hes toast. Imo of course. I actually doubt he'll be in place in November.
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That's extremely ill informed. You could start with this-

https://twitter.com/x/status/1279414665542381568
 
jmagg said:
At this point, I personally think Biden will lose. Biden, at this point, doesn't want to take a stand beyond media manipulation. He s riding the media narrative or the DNC narrative and staying as neutral as possible regarding current affairs. Unless he comes out with original ideas hes toast. Imo of course. I actually doubt he'll be in place in November.
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Just my opinion too. Hopefully we will be here to see.
 
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