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Should a Teenager be allowed to wear a kilt...

Agrooreo

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News article here...

JACKSON, Missouri (AP) -- Nathan Warmack wanted to honor his heritage by wearing a Scottish kilt to his high school dance. Then a principal told him to change into a pair of pants.

What began with a few yards of tartan has sparked an international debate about freedom, symbols and cultural dress. More than 1,600 people have signed an Internet petition seeking an apology for the high school senior.

Scots in the United States are assembling a traditional ensemble they hope the student will wear to the prom, and his family is trying to change the school's dress code policy.

"It's a kilt. It's going to turn heads, but I never believed it would have become what it is," Warmack said.

Other schools around the country also have wrestled with the issue. A principal in Victoria, Texas, ordered two boys into "more appropriate" attire when they wore kilts to school in 1992, saying: "I know kilts. Those weren't kilts and the boys aren't Scots."

In 1993, a student in Fayette County, Georgia, was not allowed to enter his prom at McIntosh High School because he showed up in a kilt and refused to change clothes.

And while they weren't trying to dress in kilts, a few boys were allowed to wear skirts to class at Franklin Community High School in Indiana in 1997, when a superintendent said different people express themselves in different ways.

Warmack, a defensive lineman on the football team, lives in Jackson, a growing, largely middle-class city of about 14,000 people about 110 miles from St. Louis.

He got interested in his family's Scottish ties after seeing Mel Gibson's 1995 movie "Braveheart," about William Wallace's battle to overthrow English rule in 13th century Scotland. Warmack reads books about Scotland and visits Web sites to learn more about his family's genealogy.

He bought a kilt off the Internet to wear to his school's formal "Silver Arrow" dance in November. Warmack said he showed it to a vice principal before the dance, who joked he'd better wear something underneath it, and Warmack assured him he would.

Warmack's parents, Terry and Paula, helped him piece together the rest of his outfit, a white shirt and black tie with white socks and black boots.

"We knew it wasn't the formal regalia," his father said. "We wanted it to be acceptable for the occasion."

After Nathan Warmack and his date posed for pictures, principal Rick McClard, who had not previously seen the kilt, told the student he had to go change. Warmack refused a few times and said the outfit was recognizing his heritage.

Warmack alleges McClard told him: "Well, this is my dance, and I'm not going to have students coming into it looking like clowns." McClard later said he had no recollection of saying that, Warmack's dad said. The principal did not return phone calls seeking comment.

The school district's superintendent, Ron Anderson, said McClard has the authority under the district's dress code policy to judge appropriate dress for extracurricular activities, including dances.
"It's mainly to protect from the possibility of a disruption or something that could be viewed as a disruption," Anderson said.

Several Scottish heritage organizations are angry, saying the kilt is a symbol of Scottish pride and considered formal dress.

"To say the traditional Scottish dress makes you look like a clown is a direct insult to people of Scottish heritage and those who live in Scotland," said Tom Wilson, a Texas commissioner for the Clan Gunn Society of North American, a Scottish heritage organization.

Another Clan Gunn member, Beth Gardner, started an online petition seeking an apology for Warmack. It questions in part the notion that the kilt was a distraction.

"From what? From the intense concentration it takes to dance?"

Scottish groups are hoping they can help him to establish a formal Scottish ensemble that more fully reflects his heritage, including pieces that are being handmade for Warmack in Oklahoma, Georgia and Florida.

Warmack said he's concerned that school officials are just waiting for the situation to blow over, and that the policy won't be changed.

"This has picked up a lot of steam," he said, "but it hasn't really gotten anywhere."

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


I figure since its a dance and wasn't extremely inappropriate such as not too revealing, offensive, etc, the kid should be able to wear what he wants. If its acceptable for someone of Scottish decent to wear a kilt to a wedding (which to my understanding heppens quite often) why cant he wear it to a formal dance? Just my opnion though. Interested in what others have to say about this.
 
Wow, saying the Scots look like clowns is kind of messed up. What's the big fvcking deal on wearing a kilt? It's not like he's flashing anyone. I've seen girls where skirts to school that are short enough to show their birth canal. A kilt is no where near as bad.
 
Originally posted by: Agrooreo
News article here...

JACKSON, Missouri (AP) -- Nathan Warmack wanted to honor his heritage by wearing a Scottish kilt to his high school dance. Then a principal told him to change into a pair of pants.

What began with a few yards of tartan has sparked an international debate about freedom, symbols and cultural dress. More than 1,600 people have signed an Internet petition seeking an apology for the high school senior.

Scots in the United States are assembling a traditional ensemble they hope the student will wear to the prom, and his family is trying to change the school's dress code policy.

"It's a kilt. It's going to turn heads, but I never believed it would have become what it is," Warmack said.

Other schools around the country also have wrestled with the issue. A principal in Victoria, Texas, ordered two boys into "more appropriate" attire when they wore kilts to school in 1992, saying: "I know kilts. Those weren't kilts and the boys aren't Scots."

In 1993, a student in Fayette County, Georgia, was not allowed to enter his prom at McIntosh High School because he showed up in a kilt and refused to change clothes.

And while they weren't trying to dress in kilts, a few boys were allowed to wear skirts to class at Franklin Community High School in Indiana in 1997, when a superintendent said different people express themselves in different ways.

Warmack, a defensive lineman on the football team, lives in Jackson, a growing, largely middle-class city of about 14,000 people about 110 miles from St. Louis.

He got interested in his family's Scottish ties after seeing Mel Gibson's 1995 movie "Braveheart," about William Wallace's battle to overthrow English rule in 13th century Scotland. Warmack reads books about Scotland and visits Web sites to learn more about his family's genealogy.

He bought a kilt off the Internet to wear to his school's formal "Silver Arrow" dance in November. Warmack said he showed it to a vice principal before the dance, who joked he'd better wear something underneath it, and Warmack assured him he would.

Warmack's parents, Terry and Paula, helped him piece together the rest of his outfit, a white shirt and black tie with white socks and black boots.

"We knew it wasn't the formal regalia," his father said. "We wanted it to be acceptable for the occasion."

After Nathan Warmack and his date posed for pictures, principal Rick McClard, who had not previously seen the kilt, told the student he had to go change. Warmack refused a few times and said the outfit was recognizing his heritage.

Warmack alleges McClard told him: "Well, this is my dance, and I'm not going to have students coming into it looking like clowns." McClard later said he had no recollection of saying that, Warmack's dad said. The principal did not return phone calls seeking comment.

The school district's superintendent, Ron Anderson, said McClard has the authority under the district's dress code policy to judge appropriate dress for extracurricular activities, including dances.
"It's mainly to protect from the possibility of a disruption or something that could be viewed as a disruption," Anderson said.

Several Scottish heritage organizations are angry, saying the kilt is a symbol of Scottish pride and considered formal dress.

"To say the traditional Scottish dress makes you look like a clown is a direct insult to people of Scottish heritage and those who live in Scotland," said Tom Wilson, a Texas commissioner for the Clan Gunn Society of North American, a Scottish heritage organization.

Another Clan Gunn member, Beth Gardner, started an online petition seeking an apology for Warmack. It questions in part the notion that the kilt was a distraction.

"From what? From the intense concentration it takes to dance?"

Scottish groups are hoping they can help him to establish a formal Scottish ensemble that more fully reflects his heritage, including pieces that are being handmade for Warmack in Oklahoma, Georgia and Florida.

Warmack said he's concerned that school officials are just waiting for the situation to blow over, and that the policy won't be changed.

"This has picked up a lot of steam," he said, "but it hasn't really gotten anywhere."

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


I figure since its a dance and wasn't extremely inappropriate such as not too revealing, offensive, etc, the kid should be able to wear what he wants. If its acceptable for someone of Scottish decent to wear a kilt to a wedding (which to my understanding heppens quite often) why cant he wear it to a formal dance? Just my opnion though. Interested in what others have to say about this.

Perfectly acceptabable to wear a kilt. However, a skirt or dress would be highly inappropriate.
 
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Wow, saying the Scots look like clowns is kind of messed up. What's the big fvcking deal on wearing a kilt? It's not like he's flashing anyone. I've seen girls where skirts to school that are short enough to show their birth canal. A kilt is no where near as bad.

pics or ban
 
Originally posted by: tec699
As long as the guy has underwear under that kilt. I've heard that some people don't wear undies.

😱

I think to be truly "traditional" one would not wear underwear.
 
While most personally wouldn't have worn their family pattern, let alone a kilt, I'll wager they do support the right to do so if they so choose.

I called another friend this morning from Scottish heritage (second generation U.S. Citizen) this morning before posting. He told me to say "I hate Bagpipes, Kilts and Haggus, but knock yourself out if you like the stuff!!!"

I have one Irish ancestor back three generations on my mothers side. If I want a kilt would I qualify?
 
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
The principal is a tool. He should be fired.

You know he won't...if anything this will be more fuel for the nuts (including the nuts here who shall remain nameless) to push for school uniforms.


 
Originally posted by: maluckey
While most personally wouldn't have worn their family pattern, let alone a kilt, I'll wager they do support the right to do so if they so choose.

I called another friend this morning from Scottish heritage (second generation U.S. Citizen) this morning before posting. He told me to say "I hate Bagpipes, Kilts and Haggus, but knock yourself out if you like the stuff!!!"

I have one Irish ancestor back three generations on my mothers side. If I want a kilt would I qualify?

It shouldn't matter what your ancestory is. If you want to war a kilt you should be able to wear it. It's not like it's indecent, so what's the problem??
 
Huh? in our high school (when I was there) they are proud of their scottish "heritage" and wear kilts on many events 😛
 
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
I've seen girls where skirts to school that are short enough to show their birth canal. A kilt is no where near as bad.
Seen it, it's annoying... leaves nothing to the imagination.

Actually the OP story reminds me of that crazy schoolteacher who was lifting girls' skirts at the prom to "makes sure they weren't wearing thongs".
 
Originally posted by: Meuge

Seen it, it's annoying... leaves nothing to the imagination.

Actually the OP story reminds me of that crazy schoolteacher who was lifting girls' skirts at the prom to "makes sure they weren't wearing thongs".

hot.
 
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
I've seen girls where skirts to school that are short enough to show their birth canal. A kilt is no where near as bad.
Seen it, it's annoying... leaves nothing to the imagination.

Actually the OP story reminds me of that crazy schoolteacher who was lifting girls' skirts at the prom to "makes sure they weren't wearing thongs".

I remember that. I believe that person was fired though. I wonder how many of the girls weren't wearing any underwear. That had to be kind of embarrassing when the teacher lifted up their skirts.
 
I think it's totally lame and dorky, but don't see the harm in a guy wearing a kilt (or hell, even full-blown drag) to a formal event as long as his behavior is appropriate.
 
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