Should a non o/c Duron be too hot to touch seconds after power is applied?

[moocat]

I have a FIC AZ11 and a Duron 650. I finally got a video card so I could fire this system up for the first time. It refuses to post or even give a single beep. I figure it's power, the cpu, or the bios. I pull the heatsink off the cpu so that I can pull it out of the zif and check for a possible bent pin. I put it back in and out of curiousity power up the board sans heatsink and in the time it took me to push the power button and then move my hand to the cpu it was so hot it blistered my finger. Now I realize this isn't the smartest thing to do but I really didn't expect even a hot running amd chip to get that hot at idle in only 2 seconds or less.
I of course powered it off immediately.

Is this normal? I mean the chip getting so hot, so fast...not me touching a burning hot duron cpu

Now before anyone tells me I'm an idiot for powering an uncooled cpu I have seen flourinert cooled processor chips last for 5 minutes or more without cooling so I figured I was safe for a few seconds with this chip.

 

[Budman]

An amd cpu without a heatsink can be killed in under 10 seconds,you're lucky if you did not kill it.

But then again you might not have been so lucky.

 

[iwishiwaselite]

That sucks man.. Hope you didn't kill it.

Yes thats normal.. they run HOT.

Lesson learned.. eh? heh

 

[moocat]

It was probably on for about 5 seconds...lesson learned. Hey, I needed to add one more unknown variable into the troubleshooting equation

I was going to edit my thread to same on some embarassment but I think I will leave it in hopes it saves some other poor, dumb, bastard from himself

 

[DaddyG]

Moocat, your cpu will probably be OK. Durons are not the fire breathers that TBIRDS are. The 10 secs to BURN is really for TBIRDS.

 

[smp]

yeah daddyG and I think it's more like 6 or 7 if I'm not mistaken.. (for the tbirds of course)

 

[ddiccico]

Remember to scrape the burnt skin off the chip before you put the HSF back on.

 

[mechBgon]

You were skating on thin ice, hope it's ok. On the helpful side, pull the mobo out of the case and put it on an antistatic bag or some safe surface, pull all cards and cables, and try it with just the video card. Make sure the RAM is seated evenly too. If it won't boot with that arrangement, see if you have any other RAM you could try with it, just in case it doesn't like the type you were trying. Good luck! and at least you know the chip is getting power.

 

[moocat]

I have tried 2 different sticks of ram and all the dimm slots. I have another 256mb stick on it's way (cheapo stick that only works in AMD based systems). The ram I have is generic 128mb pc133 and a 64mb stick of pc100 out of a compaq. It occured to me that it may be the ram...I've already got the system stripped down to video, ram and cpu. It is still in the case though.

Thanks for the input...man it's hard to type with out using the pointer finger on my left hand

 

[brewerbob]

For anyone planning on doing the same experiment (the finger trick) on a different CPU, DON'T. I did the same thing with the computer I have now. It is a K6 200Mhz and it got just as hot as yours just as quick.

Moral of the story: CPU's get damn hot, damn fast!! Power Fet's and the like don't even come close.

 

[mechBgon]

Recently I had a problem with one of my systems not booting. I had screwed down the screw at the top front corner of the mobo and then I did some other things and what do you know, it wouldn't even POST. Turns out there was a stray motherboard support under that corner, and it never made contact with the mobo until I tightened down that corner screw (it was out a few threads). Taking the mobo out of the case, I spotted the stud and said "aha!" Sure enough, mobo worked fine once the stud wasn't shorting it out from beneath.