Shots fired at LAX

[xanis]

Maybe security was LAX.

LOL well-played

 

[irishScott]

Many will say it just proves the law doesn't go far enough.

It probably doesn't. I bet your life the guy had a history of mental issues or acting nuts.

And honestly if that's all they focus on I couldn't care less. I'd be perfectly happy to obtain a brief psychological exam, after which I obtain a piece of paper certifying my mental health that I take with me when buying a gun; assuming a proper appeals system is put in place.

But I suppose such an elegant system that's actually designed to solve a problem is a little much to ask.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Man, those gun laws are working very well.

 

[JulesMaximus]

It was an Assault Rifle in a (supposedly) secure airport terminal in a state with an assault weapon ban, magazine restrictions, a waiting period for purchasing firearms, no private sales of firearms without an FFL/background check, and carry restrictions.

And who stopped the bad guy with a gun? A good guy with a gun.

They won't be talking about this for long.

Wasn't it a cop who stopped the bad guy?

Are cops the good guys today? Because yesterday they were the bad guys and it was okay to shoot them.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2350580

How are you gonna spin this if it turns out the guy legally owned the weapon he used?

 

[KeithTalent]

Man, those gun laws are working very well.

Meh, they're pretty LAXadaisical about it.

KT

 

[Ruptga]

In before page thirty.

 

[Kadarin]

I'm guessing the perp is a crazy Islamic allahu akbar type, but that remains to be seen still.

Edit: Apparently not...

 

[irishScott]

Wasn't it a cop who stopped the bad guy?

Are cops the good guys today? Because yesterday they were the bad guys and it was okay to shoot them.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2350580

How are you gonna spin this if it turns out the guy legally owned the weapon he used?

Not all cops are bad, not all cops are good. I'll assume good in this case barring evidence to the contrary.

And so what if he legally owned the weapon? Guy at the Navy Yard legally owned his. As I said I'd be fine with mental health checks to buy a gun, I just don't trust the government to implement them in such a way that safeguards gun rights.

 

[The_Dude8]

LOS ANGELES (LALATE) – Paul Anthony Ciancia is the LAX shooting gunman suspect, officials tell news. Paul Anthony Ciancia has been identified as the alleged gunman in the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) shooting today November 1, 2013 that erupted at Terminal 3 near Virgin Airways. The suspect is a U.S. citizen. No Facebook account for Paul Anthony Ciancia has yet to be confirmed. Local reports claim that Ciancia, 23, is from Los Angeles and has a New Jersey residence.

Paul Anthony Ciancia was identified following a noontime news briefing by LAPD. At the time LAPD’s Charlie Beck told news that the name of the gunman was known, but being withheld, pending FBI investigation. LAX issued an official news statement thereafter confirming the same.

 

[The_Dude8]

It seems a TSA agent was shot

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/01/los-angeles-airport-terminal-incident/3351473/

:hmm: I have a flight to LAX in less than 20 hours. I wonder how hosed up everything is going to be

it's NOT a former tsa agent:

Ciancia, 23, is a Los Angeles native who reportedly has no connections to the airport, and is not, as was suspected, a former TSA agent. The suspect may have had strong anti-government views, based on writings he was carrying with him at the airport.

source:
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/11/01/LAX-shooting-suspect-IDd-as-Paul-Anthony-Ciancia-23/9191383335621

 

[Nintendesert]

It was dorner!!

 

[Nintendesert]

Not all cops are bad, not all cops are good. I'll assume good in this case barring evidence to the contrary.

And so what if he legally owned the weapon? Guy at the Navy Yard legally owned his. As I said I'd be fine with mental health checks to buy a gun, I just don't trust the government to implement them in such a way that safeguards gun rights.

I have to address this, the military already tried mental health qualifiers during security clearance applications and reviews. If you had a mental issue you could be and would be denied your security clearance. For many people having a clearance is required to have your job. You get sent to another job field if you lose your clearance.

This led to many people hiding mental problems and not seeking treatment. People denying treatment and hiding mental health issues are more of a threat and problem than people properly treated for mental health issues.

All mental health checks do is create a stigma and drive people underground with their issues. We have enough self medicating in this country and we also have a hard enough time getting people to seek adequate treatment as it is. Your solution would simply be a way to exasperate an already horrible problem in this country.

We need to find ways to get people help not give them incentives to continue to hide and deny their problems.

 

[Ruptga]

I have to address this, the military already tried mental health qualifiers during security clearance applications and reviews. If you had a mental issue you could be and would be denied your security clearance. For many people having a clearance is required to have your job. You get sent to another job field if you lose your clearance.

This led to many people hiding mental problems and not seeking treatment. People denying treatment and hiding mental health issues are more of a threat and problem than people properly treated for mental health issues.

All mental health checks do is create a stigma and drive people underground with their issues. We have enough self medicating in this country and we also have a hard enough time getting people to seek adequate treatment as it is. Your solution would simply be a way to exasperate an already horrible problem in this country.

We need to find ways to get people help not give them incentives to continue to hide and deny their problems.

Yeah, it's a great idea on its face, but the specifics are not so simple. And what constitutes a mental health problem anyway? Many would say that a history of depression is a serious problem. I had a prescribed antidepressant for a few months. That was well over twelve months ago, and today you wouldn't know unless I told you.

If any history of mental problems were enough to disqualify a person from X, practically nobody (honest) would ever be allowed to X. And, I'd say that the only people that have never had any mental problems are those that have lived extremely sheltered lives, and they really haven't lived. Most people never get a diagnosis for it, but that doesn't mean they didn't go through it.

 

[dbk]

LOS ANGELES (LALATE) – Paul Anthony Ciancia is the LAX shooting gunman suspect, officials tell news. Paul Anthony Ciancia has been identified as the alleged gunman in the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) shooting today November 1, 2013 that erupted at Terminal 3 near Virgin Airways. The suspect is a U.S. citizen. No Facebook account for Paul Anthony Ciancia has yet to be confirmed. Local reports claim that Ciancia, 23, is from Los Angeles and has a New Jersey residence.

Paul Anthony Ciancia was identified following a noontime news briefing by LAPD. At the time LAPD’s Charlie Beck told news that the name of the gunman was known, but being withheld, pending FBI investigation. LAX issued an official news statement thereafter confirming the same.

but was he an NRA member?? /MSNBC

 

[exdeath]

Problem is who gets to define "mental health problem"?

In places like CA and NY 100% of people applying for a permit would be declared unfit.

Anything open to interpretation or evaluation can and will be abused to support political agendas.

 

[Exterous]

it's NOT a former tsa agent:

Ciancia, 23, is a Los Angeles native who reportedly has no connections to the airport, and is not, as was suspected, a former TSA agent. The suspect may have had strong anti-government views, based on writings he was carrying with him at the airport.

source:
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/11/01/LAX-shooting-suspect-IDd-as-Paul-Anthony-Ciancia-23/9191383335621

Uh - what does this have to do with a TSA agent being shot? I never said it was a TSA agent doing the shooting.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Not all cops are bad, not all cops are good. I'll assume good in this case barring evidence to the contrary.

And so what if he legally owned the weapon? Guy at the Navy Yard legally owned his. As I said I'd be fine with mental health checks to buy a gun, I just don't trust the government to implement them in such a way that safeguards gun rights.

Then what's the point? Just sit on your hands like the NRA tells us to. Shrug... another shooting and innocent people killed.

Too bad he didn't kill himself instead of other people.

 

[JulesMaximus]

it's NOT a former tsa agent:

Ciancia, 23, is a Los Angeles native who reportedly has no connections to the airport, and is not, as was suspected, a former TSA agent. The suspect may have had strong anti-government views, based on writings he was carrying with him at the airport.

source:
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/11/01/LAX-shooting-suspect-IDd-as-Paul-Anthony-Ciancia-23/9191383335621

Sounds like a number of members here who post regularly in P&N.

 

[schneiderguy]

Then what's the point? Just sit on your hands like the NRA tells us to. Shrug... another shooting and innocent people killed.

Too bad he didn't kill himself instead of other people.

The gun he used is already illegal in California. Shut your librul mouth.

 

[NFS4]

Total douche move by the AP:

 

[KeithTalent]

Total douche move by the AP:

Hahaha.

KT

 

[Doppel]

Total douche move by the AP:

Pure awesome.

 

[JulesMaximus]

The gun he used is already illegal in California. Shut your librul mouth.

Bullshit. There are plenty of people in CA who legally own so called "assault" weapons. I own one myself along with a bunch of 30 round clips.

So you shut up manlet. :sneaky:

 

[Imp]

Bullshit. There are plenty of people in CA who legally own so called "assault" weapons. I own one myself along with a bunch of 30 round clips.

So you shut up manlet. :sneaky:

Put on your flame suit: you called it a "clip".

 

[schneiderguy]

Bullshit. There are plenty of people in CA who legally own so called "assault" weapons. I own one myself along with a bunch of 30 round clips.

So you shut up manlet. :sneaky:

It would be extremely unlikely for a 22 year old to own an "assault weapon" that has been banned for over 13 years.