Shots fired at Garden State Plaza Mall in NJ

Viper GTS

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Pretty close to me too, I am hearing helicopters which is not normal at nearly midnight.

While I'm not enough of a conspiracy theorist to ascribe some greater meaning to this I do think it is reaching critical mass. At some point even the most gun friendly people are just going to be sick of it. This is both my homes in the span of a year.

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Zorkorist

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Tomorrow is election day... bunch of pent up frustrations, when being asked to raise taxes on themselves, for the billionth time.

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Jaskalas

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Depends who did it and for what reason, right?

Don't see a nightly news story about Chicago shootings. Oh yes we joke and jape them over it, but it's no big deal is it? Doesn't have to be a conspiracy when gangs shoot each other in their hoods, it's all part of the plan.

Imagine the horror if those daily shootings weren't in gangland - but instead in wealthy areas. I'm thinking that's why you're posting. This regular occurrence happened to be in an irregular location. That makes it a news story. That makes it scary. That makes it "something more"... uh huh....
 

gotsmack

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Depends who did it and for what reason, right?

Don't see a nightly news story about Chicago shootings. Oh yes we joke and jape them over it, but it's no big deal is it? Doesn't have to be a conspiracy when gangs shoot each other in their hoods, it's all part of the plan.

Imagine the horror if those daily shootings weren't in gangland - but instead in wealthy areas. I'm thinking that's why you're posting. This regular occurrence happened to be in an irregular location. That makes it a news story. That makes it scary. That makes it "something more"... uh huh....

Gangs shooting other gangs over turf is normal. There is a clear logical reason behind it. More area under their control = more money for the gang.

Shooting in an upscale mall, airport, school, etc makes no immediate sense. What benefit is there to the shooter?
 
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boomerang

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Shooting in an upscale mall, airport, school, etc makes no immediate sense. What benefit is there to the shooter?
Trying to come up with a logical reason for why mentally ill people do some of the things they do will keep you very busy and in the end, you'll be no closer to an answer.
 

Moonbeam

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Trying to come up with a logical reason for why mentally ill people do some of the things they do will keep you very busy and in the end, you'll be no closer to an answer.

You trying to come up with a logic keeps you very busy and going in circles forever. The mentally ill are mentally ill and do what they do because of self hate just like you do and are as aware of it as you are, which is why, of course, they stay mentally ill. Self hate creates the fear of feeling which in turn causes depression and a sense that life has no meaning because when you suppress fear you also suppress the joy of being. Emotional deadness creates a need to feel alive and when the proper channel for healthy emotional expression is shut down sick pleasures spring up as substitutes. You, for example, come here to blow your horn about your right wing lunacy because you're full of rage that real joy has been taken. This will keep you very busy and in the end you'll still know nothing. Happiness is letting go of your hundred million tons of accumulated cabbage. Just let it all go. Your original perfect self is hiding under all that shit. Just remember that.
 

Matt1970

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You trying to come up with a logic keeps you very busy and going in circles forever. The mentally ill are mentally ill and do what they do because of self hate just like you do and are as aware of it as you are, which is why, of course, they stay mentally ill. Self hate creates the fear of feeling which in turn causes depression and a sense that life has no meaning because when you suppress fear you also suppress the joy of being. Emotional deadness creates a need to feel alive and when the proper channel for healthy emotional expression is shut down sick pleasures spring up as substitutes. You, for example, come here to blow your horn about your right wing lunacy because you're full of rage that real joy has been taken. This will keep you very busy and in the end you'll still know nothing. Happiness is letting go of your hundred million tons of accumulated cabbage. Just let it all go. Your original perfect self is hiding under all that shit. Just remember that.

So now the mentally ill secretly hate themselves?
 

exdeath

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He was trying to suicide by cop. Had plenty of opportunity to shoot people and intentionally didn't (shooting at ceiling when there were people right next to him).
 
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Moonbeam

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He was just providing a perfect example of mentally ill...

No, no, no, no, no. Your job was to explain why he was trying to kill himself by cop. You identified the methodology, not the cause. But then, of course, you have no idea. All you can do is float on the surface because you have no self-knowledge nor any idea of what you feel. It causes you to be smug.
 

exdeath

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Suicide is such a waste. If you have nothing to lose, not even your life, you can live for a very long time doing shit you otherwsie couldn't or wouldn't dare do normally. And if it ever catches up to you, hey fuck it, you are ready to kill yourself anyway.
 

mizzou

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Posting in another thread about mental illness where society again doesn't care about helping those with mental illness.

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Lithium381

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Posting in another thread about mental illness where society again doesn't care about helping those with mental illness.

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Clearly this guy was on a killing rampage with a military style assault rifle with a high capacity magazine that can spray hundreds of bullets per minute.
 

brycejones

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Clearly this guy was on a killing rampage with a military style assault rifle with a high capacity magazine that can spray hundreds of bullets per minute.

Clearly you missed the point. I didn't see Mizzou arguing any of the crap you just posted. If you think we have a robust mental health care system in this country you're sadly mistaken.
 

Lithium381

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Clearly you missed the point. I didn't see Mizzou arguing any of the crap you just posted. If you think we have a robust mental health care system in this country you're sadly mistaken.

Clearly you don't understand the point. The guys mental state had nothing to do with what happened. Even if we entertain that idea, it's easy to get drugs that will help you attain a level chemical balance. The point is, that if these bullet spraying death machines weren't so readily available this sort of thing wouldn't have happened. You and your NRA type buddies are unhinged!

:whiste:
 

brycejones

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Clearly you don't understand the point. The guys mental state had nothing to do with what happened. Even if we entertain that idea, it's easy to get drugs that will help you attain a level chemical balance. The point is, that if these bullet spraying death machines weren't so readily available this sort of thing wouldn't have happened. You and your NRA type buddies are unhinged!

:whiste:

Troll troll your boat
 

mizzou

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Clearly you don't understand the point. The guys mental state had nothing to do with what happened. Even if we entertain that idea, it's easy to get drugs that will help you attain a level chemical balance. The point is, that if these bullet spraying death machines weren't so readily available this sort of thing wouldn't have happened. You and your NRA type buddies are unhinged!

:whiste:

A "culpable" mental state means everything when it comes to committing a crime. Very few crimes, when committed, we don't care what mental state the person was in.