Shopping for a DSLR

xanis

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I'm looking to buy a DSLR sometime in the next few months (or in May). I need some serious help. There are so many brands, cameras, lenses and whatever that it's making my head spin. The first things I need are suggestions for a camera body and a good starter lens. That being said, I have a few questions:

  • What brands should I look at? Canon, Nikon, or something else?

  • Is the lens that comes with most DSLRs good enough until I get better?

  • What should I look for in lenses?

  • What are some other things that I need to/should know?

Thanks!

 

ElFenix

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a) what's your budget?

b) what do you think you'll be taking pictures of?

c) though some would suggest otherwise, you don't actually need bags, tripods, filters, a trunk full of lenses, flashes, etc. though i would recommend an extra battery or two, and a big memory card or two.
 

teatime0315

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First off, brand doesn't matter that much. Canon and Nikon both take amazing pictures.
But for budget sake, I'd stick with Canon or Nikon because of their extensive line of lenses.

Secondly, how much are you looking to spend.
- 500-600 Dollars should get you Nikon D40 Kit or Canon Xt kit. IMO the D40's Kit lens is a better lens than the one that comes with the Canon Xt's.
To determine which lenses you need, you need to consider what you are going to shoot.
Wildlife - Telephoto lenses
Bugs/Flowers Etc.. - A Macro Lens
Portraits - Kit lenses do an exceptional job, but getting a fast 50mm Prime is best.
Good all-rounder for vacation - A good zooming lens. ex. the Nikon 18-200mm VR.

And as "ElFenix" said extra batteries and a BIG memory card.
 

xanis

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
a) what's your budget?

b) what do you think you'll be taking pictures of?

c) though some would suggest otherwise, you don't actually need bags, tripods, filters, a trunk full of lenses, flashes, etc. though i would recommend an extra battery or two, and a big memory card or two.

A) About $500-600.

B) A little bit of everything, but primarily urban landscape and people.

My budget isn't too huge because I'm a college student and I'm already working 2 jobs this summer to get some money. Should I look for used or new, or doesn't it matter?

 

teatime0315

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With used equipment, you can stretch your budget further.
With 500-600 dollars, you can grab the Nikon D40 kit/Canon Xt Kit. You should go to Best Buy to try out the cameras. See which ones fit in your hand properly.
I don't really like Canon's entry level offerings because they don't feel comfortable in my hands.
B) If you shoot a little bit of everything, a kit lens should suit you.
 

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As teatime0315 suggested, I would definitely look into used equipment. Lenses in particular are built to last (it seems like they're one of the few things that are these days) and you can stretch your money further that way.
 

xanis

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Thanks for the suggestions guys. I've actually used the Nikon D40 before (my girlfriend has it) and I like it a lot. I think I'm going to look at the Canon XT and then look for a good used body/kit pckage.

EDIT: I'm also really interested in doing macro, but all of the macro lenses I've seen are absurdly expensive. Could I get a reasonably-priced one, or am I going to have to pay an arm and a leg for a macro lens?
 

teatime0315

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Macro lenses tend to be expensive but if you look at used ones they should be relatively cheaper.
If your girlfriend has a Nikon D40 then I think it would be best you take a Nikon route too. Then you could use her lenses and she can use yours.
 

Jawo

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Originally posted by: Xanis
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I've actually used the Nikon D40 before (my girlfriend has it) and I like it a lot. I think I'm going to look at the Canon XT and then look for a good used body/kit pckage.

EDIT: I'm also really interested in doing macro, but all of the macro lenses I've seen are absurdly expensive. Could I get a reasonably-priced one, or am I going to have to pay an arm and a leg for a macro lens?

The best macro lens for a crop body would be a 60mm (Canon's version is ~$300).

Why do you want a dSLR? You might want to look at a megazoom P&S, the G9 would definaly be in your price range, RAW capabilities, hotshoe, etc...

I love my XTi with the battery grip, I can take ~1,000 pictures on a set of batteries.
 

teatime0315

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I Found a pretty decent one priced around 140 dollars. Its the Tamron 70-300 F/4-5.6.
Amazon
Examples
Specs
Not bad for the price, and if you choose Canon or Nikon this lens would work on both cameras
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: teatime0315
First off, brand doesn't matter that much. Canon and Nikon both take amazing pictures.

You're right -- the brand doesn't matter much, yet you overlook Minolta/Sony, Pentax [and Samsung], and Olympus [and Panasonic]. Sigma and Fuji are too niche to mention, really.

But for budget sake, I'd stick with Canon or Nikon because of their extensive line of lenses.

I find this comment quite bizarre actually. I'd argue that, for budget's sake, you should stick with Pentax or Minolta/Sony because of the extensive amount of used lenses available for those mounts at auction for very little money. For instance, you can get an excellent quality 28-85mm f/3.5-4.5 with a strong metal frame from Minolta for less than $50 shipped.

If budget is a serious concern, how does an extensive line of lenses matter?

Secondly, how much are you looking to spend.

I see from a subsequent post that this question was answered, and it's absolutely key. For between $650-700, you can get the Sony A100 with the kit lens. For $450 (on Amazon), you can get the K100D with their kit lens. For $650 at Buydig, you can get the Samsung GX-10 with kit lens (copy of the Pentax K10D). Also at Buydig, Olympus has the E-410 with kit for $629 or the E-500 with a two lens kit (28-90mm and 80-300mm in 35mm terms) for $558.

Incidentally, the Sony, Pentax' K10D and K100D, and Samsung's GX-10 all have image stabilization for every single lens attached to the camera, unlike Canon and Nikon which require you to purchase special lenses to have the same ability.

With money a significant concern, I'd stick with the kit lens initially and look to buy a prime (non-zoom) lens at around 50mm, which is usually fairly inexpensive (Minolta's is about $50-70; Canon and Nikon are similar). Alternatively, you could look at a prime 28mm lens, which is going to be approximately 50mm equivalent on a digital SLR (50mm is considered "normal", ie., what you see with your eyeballs and is a good focal length to start with). The Minolta 28mm f/2.8 is fairly inexpensive at auction, running about $70 or so. Not sure what equivalents are with the other brands.

Nikon D40 Kit

Keep in mind with the D40 (and the D40x) that if you want autofocus, you have to buy AF-S or AF-I and cannot use older lenses which require an in-body focus mechanism. Apparently that excludes the Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D which is probably the cheaper 50mm lens available for the Nikon mount. I can't seem to find an AF-S lens in 50mm.

And as "ElFenix" said extra batteries and a BIG memory card.

On my Sony, I get 80 pictures on the maximum setting per 2GB card (that's using RAW+JPG mode). RAW only I get a little over 100. On maximum JPG, I get 440. Check some reviews to see what capacity you would likely need. 2GB cards are running at $35 now (Sandisk Ultra II); probably cheaper if you go with a lesser known brand.

The battery in the Sony lasts for 750 shots (even using the flash some), but I don't think many other cameras match that rating (I just know it's a significant improvement from my previous camera!).

Steve's Digicams says the Canon XT battery gets about 600 shots without flash; XTi says 500. Pentax K10D gets about 500 (same source). I think the D40 is rated at 470 (odd info on Steve's).

Regardless, an extra battery is good to have as a backup just in case you are at the end of the day and need a little extra juice for those last few shots. Or, as happens more often for me, I forget to charge my usual battery and then have the spare to take up the slack for my forgetfulness!
 

AmigaMan

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
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Thank you! I was just about to post a reply (re: the dissing of Pentax, Sony, et al.) until I saw your eloquent and succinct post. No other reply needed. :)
 

xanis

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Thanks for all of the help guys. I noticed someone mentioned getting a P&S. I already have a decent P&S and it's okay... for basic pictures. I need something that I can control and finesse more than an average camera. I've been looking at the stuff that you guys have suggested and it seems like I should be able to get some decent used equipment. I'm going to go to a good (NOT Ritz) camera store here in Philly and see if I can hold/test the stuff out.
 

randomlinh

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Quick question.. your GF has a nikon d40.. anyone else you know carry nikon you're close with? That could make for a nice pool of lenses you all could pawn off each other. Altho, on second thought, should you and the gf break up on bad terms.... that could get messy.

whatever you do, used is always nice to save some dough, especially in the lens department. I'd have to say look at a used K100D (used K10D if you can stretch it.. but.. well.. gotta remember cost of lenses, a bag to carry your stuff, that extra battery, etc). I've been considering switching over to pentax, as I only have three lenses... but I'm probably too much of a canon whore, heh. and really really like the 70-200L f/4 :)