Shopping cart prank turns tragic

[waggy]

Originally posted by: TheSiege

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: TheSiege

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Fvck....do they know who did it. whoever did it needs to be charged with some serious sh1t

i disagree, their motive albeit stupid, wasn't to injure someone, they were just trying to be pranksters. it was a freak accident, and they need to be punished, but don't through in juvenile care just because it was a prank gone bad.

Prank or not, the point is they set something up that was potentially dangerous to another person (and in this case was).....I say charge them, with the most severe charge possible.

Don't coddle the little b1tches.

well then lets prosecute mcdonalds sony and toyota
mcdonalds leads to heart disease
sony creates exploding batteries
toyota has to recall a bunch of scions

what they did hurts thousands and they get no punishment...

boy you are a idiot.

 

[Joemonkey]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
prankers no pranking!
find them and put them in jail

Dora fan?

 

[pnad]

A better comparison would be an open manhole cover. Woman walks into it and injures herself. The workers are negligent, but some responsibility has to fall on the victim for being inattentive.

 

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I've raised hundreds of flags over my lifetime. Who doesn't look up a flagpole before raising a flag?

That really sucks for her though

Natural selection strikes again!

So it's her fault? You guys have a whacked out sense of who's responsible here.

 

[rbV5]

Seems to me that most people would see that there would be a reasonable chance of doing injury pulling a prank like that. Its basically a booby-trap waiting for a victim. There is no reasonable expectation to check the flagpole for hanging objects, thats just absurd. Freak accident my ass, they tied it up with a rope that is meant to be untied regularly. Hopefully the store has tapes so they can maybe identify the so-called pranksters.

How about people being responsible for their actions? I can't possibly see how the victim bears any responsibility for her being hit by the shopping cart in this situation.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I've raised hundreds of flags over my lifetime. Who doesn't look up a flagpole before raising a flag?

That really sucks for her though

Who expects a shopping cart, or anything else, to be on top of a flagpole? Do you check your rooftop every time you walk out of your front door? There might be a shopping cart up there, ready to fall on you when you shut the door.

Damn idiots. Hopefully a camera caught who put the thing there. Allow the pranksters to be the target of pranks in prison.

At the Walmart I worked at, some people stole BB guns, went into the parking lot, hid behind snow banks, and just started shooting at cart pushers. The police were called in, and they took away the idiots doing the shooting. No idea what more happened. The cart pusher was alright, he had on a coat, so the BBs didn't penetrate his skin, but he did quit the next day.

This should be some kind of gross negligence charge, resulting in life-threatening injury.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Reminds me of that movie Sleepers

Will they get molested too?

 

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I've raised hundreds of flags over my lifetime. Who doesn't look up a flagpole before raising a flag?

That really sucks for her though

Who expects a shopping cart, or anything else, to be on top of a flagpole? Do you check your rooftop every time you walk out of your front door? There might be a shopping cart up there, ready to fall on you when you shut the door.

Damn idiots. Hopefully a camera caught who put the thing there. Allow the pranksters to be the target of pranks in prison.

At the Walmart I worked at, some people stole BB guns, went into the parking lot, hid behind snow banks, and just started shooting at cart pushers. The police were called in, and they took away the idiots doing the shooting. No idea what more happened. The cart pusher was alright, he had on a coat, so the BBs didn't penetrate his skin, but he did quit the next day.

This should be some kind of gross negligence charge, resulting in life-threatening injury.

LOL. And you're right too.

 

[Rock Hydra]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: moomoo40moo
yeah, how would one not notice a shopping cart up on the flag pole... isnt that the reason its up there, to gain attention?

The cart fell Saturday as the woman untied the rope to raise the flag, as she did every day when she went to work

I would imagine, after going out there every day you grow accustomed to going straight to it and starting the rope untying process. One could resonably expect to think there's no need to look up since what are the odds something will be up there? right?

How is that hard to imagine she went out and did what she does daily without looking up?

I know, right? I mean, I would definitely take for granted in my everyday life that there are NOT shopping carts hanging from a freakin' flagpole.

 

[mugs]

I think the pranksters probably expected that the shopping cart would be noticed by everyone who pulled in the parking lot. I don't think they expected the person who raises the flag to have to notice it. And even if it got to that point, it apparantly didn't occur to them that the person who raises the flag would be a 62 year old lady who wouldn't be able to get out of the way in time (you WOULD notice something odd when you untie the rope and there's a 50 pound weight on the other end). Obviously they didn't think it through thoroughly enough, and they deserve to be punished. But people are calling for their heads when they made a mistake. Society benefits from keeping violent criminals out of the general population. Society will not benefit from keeping these guys out of the general population. They need to be punished, and that punishment should include restitution and a hell of a lot of community service time at the very least, but a lengthy jail sentence will serve no purpose.

 

[DanDrop]

Originally posted by: TheSiege

i disagree, their motive albeit stupid, wasn't to injure someone, they were just trying to be pranksters. it was a freak accident, and they need to be punished, but don't through in juvenile care just because it was a prank gone bad.

WTF? And if that prank happened to your loved one like your mom, dad, sister or little brother, would you still take up the same position? It is easy to disassociate ourselves with the victims because we do not know them or are not related to them.

The moron who did this should be tried and prosecuted for (at least a felony assault). This idiot very well KNOWS the danger this prank potentially has because of the weight of the shopping cart. Let's see how he likes it if somebody tied a bowling ball on his front door.

The fact of the matter is, his actions, whether intentional or not has paralyzed a person who was just DOING THEIR JOB to feed their family. He should not get away with a slap on the wrist. For starters, he should be tried criminally for inflicting serious bodily injuries. This was not an accident, this was done intentionally. Second, he should be tried civilly and pay restitution to the victim's family for life. This includes loss of salary as long as the injured is disabled, medical bills, pain and suffering etc.

Maybe this will teach the punk that life is not all fun and games.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: acemcmac
I've raised hundreds of flags over my lifetime. Who doesn't look up a flagpole before raising a flag?

That really sucks for her though

Who expects a shopping cart, or anything else, to be on top of a flagpole? Do you check your rooftop every time you walk out of your front door? There might be a shopping cart up there, ready to fall on you when you shut the door.

Damn idiots. Hopefully a camera caught who put the thing there. Allow the pranksters to be the target of pranks in prison.

At the Walmart I worked at, some people stole BB guns, went into the parking lot, hid behind snow banks, and just started shooting at cart pushers. The police were called in, and they took away the idiots doing the shooting. No idea what more happened. The cart pusher was alright, he had on a coat, so the BBs didn't penetrate his skin, but he did quit the next day.

This should be some kind of gross negligence charge, resulting in life-threatening injury.

LOL. And you're right too.

Meh. I ran the flag up at my high school every morning for 4 years, I looked up every time. Not because I was expecting there to be a shopping cart, but it just seemed the natural thing to do.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: TheSiege

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Fvck....do they know who did it. whoever did it needs to be charged with some serious sh1t

i disagree, their motive albeit stupid, wasn't to injure someone, they were just trying to be pranksters. it was a freak accident, and they need to be punished, but don't through in juvenile care just because it was a prank gone bad.

I agree. They need to be punished, but what they did was negligent, not malicious. Ruining their lives over this will not serve any purpose. I think their attitude about the situation would be most telling with regard to whether they are likely to do something so stupid again.

Can you seriously say you would feel the same way if this was your mom? She goes off to a normal workday, and ends up getting her neck snapped because someone didn't think that hoisting a shopping cart into the air could potentially hurt someone? I know that i'd want no mercy.

I love pranks, but when I play them I always think about the worst case scenario. I have even undone pranks that I set up because after thinking it over I decided the risk for something to go wrong was too great. For other pranks, I have made sure I was present when the victim came along so I could make sure that nothing went wrong.

Not intending to hurt someone is no excuse when you deliberately create the dangerous circumstances.

 

[TheSiege]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: TheSiege

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Fvck....do they know who did it. whoever did it needs to be charged with some serious sh1t

i disagree, their motive albeit stupid, wasn't to injure someone, they were just trying to be pranksters. it was a freak accident, and they need to be punished, but don't through in juvenile care just because it was a prank gone bad.

I agree. They need to be punished, but what they did was negligent, not malicious. Ruining their lives over this will not serve any purpose. I think their attitude about the situation would be most telling with regard to whether they are likely to do something so stupid again.

Can you seriously say you would feel the same way if this was your mom? She goes off to a normal workday, and ends up getting her neck snapped because someone didn't think that hoisting a shopping cart into the air could potentially hurt someone? I know that i'd want no mercy.

I love pranks, but when I play them I always think about the worst case scenario. I have even undone pranks that I set up because after thinking it over I decided the risk for something to go wrong was too great. For other pranks, I have made sure I was present when the victim came along so I could make sure that nothing went wrong.

Not intending to hurt someone is no excuse when you deliberately create the dangerous circumstances.

justice isnt about emotion its about whats fair

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: TheSiege

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: TheSiege

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Fvck....do they know who did it. whoever did it needs to be charged with some serious sh1t

i disagree, their motive albeit stupid, wasn't to injure someone, they were just trying to be pranksters. it was a freak accident, and they need to be punished, but don't through in juvenile care just because it was a prank gone bad.

I agree. They need to be punished, but what they did was negligent, not malicious. Ruining their lives over this will not serve any purpose. I think their attitude about the situation would be most telling with regard to whether they are likely to do something so stupid again.

Can you seriously say you would feel the same way if this was your mom? She goes off to a normal workday, and ends up getting her neck snapped because someone didn't think that hoisting a shopping cart into the air could potentially hurt someone? I know that i'd want no mercy.

I love pranks, but when I play them I always think about the worst case scenario. I have even undone pranks that I set up because after thinking it over I decided the risk for something to go wrong was too great. For other pranks, I have made sure I was present when the victim came along so I could make sure that nothing went wrong.

Not intending to hurt someone is no excuse when you deliberately create the dangerous circumstances.

justice isnt about emotion its about whats fair

Eye for an eye then? We won't send them to jail, just break their necks?

 

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: TheSiege

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: TheSiege

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Fvck....do they know who did it. whoever did it needs to be charged with some serious sh1t

i disagree, their motive albeit stupid, wasn't to injure someone, they were just trying to be pranksters. it was a freak accident, and they need to be punished, but don't through in juvenile care just because it was a prank gone bad.

I agree. They need to be punished, but what they did was negligent, not malicious. Ruining their lives over this will not serve any purpose. I think their attitude about the situation would be most telling with regard to whether they are likely to do something so stupid again.

Can you seriously say you would feel the same way if this was your mom? She goes off to a normal workday, and ends up getting her neck snapped because someone didn't think that hoisting a shopping cart into the air could potentially hurt someone? I know that i'd want no mercy.

I love pranks, but when I play them I always think about the worst case scenario. I have even undone pranks that I set up because after thinking it over I decided the risk for something to go wrong was too great. For other pranks, I have made sure I was present when the victim came along so I could make sure that nothing went wrong.

Not intending to hurt someone is no excuse when you deliberately create the dangerous circumstances.

justice isnt about emotion its about whats fair

Can't argue with your rock solid logic there :roll:

Sounds like you're running out of points there bud.

 

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: mugs
I think the pranksters probably expected that the shopping cart would be noticed by everyone who pulled in the parking lot. I don't think they expected the person who raises the flag to have to notice it. And even if it got to that point, it apparantly didn't occur to them that the person who raises the flag would be a 62 year old lady who wouldn't be able to get out of the way in time (you WOULD notice something odd when you untie the rope and there's a 50 pound weight on the other end). Obviously they didn't think it through thoroughly enough, and they deserve to be punished. But people are calling for their heads when they made a mistake. Society benefits from keeping violent criminals out of the general population. Society will not benefit from keeping these guys out of the general population. They need to be punished, and that punishment should include restitution and a hell of a lot of community service time at the very least, but a lengthy jail sentence will serve no purpose.

while what you say makes a lot of sense you, on the flip side of what i think, are ASSUMING that they didn't set this up to hurt someone. No one knows the answer to that question but the offender.

 

[rbV5]

justice isnt about emotion its about whats fair

And fair would be that the person(s) responsible would be accountable for their actions and punished based on the law and the facts of the case.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

while what you say makes a lot of sense you, on the flip side of what i think, are ASSUMING that they didn't set this up to hurt someone. No one knows the answer to that question but the offender.

That's why I said in my first post that that the offenders' attitude about the situation is very important. If they show no remorse or regret, then they need to be punished more severely.

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Fvck....do they know who did it. whoever did it needs to be charged with some serious sh1t

word!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DanDrop
The fact of the matter is, his actions, whether intentional or not has paralyzed a person who was just DOING THEIR JOB to feed their family.

The person was NOT paralyzed, and I think that is a significant factor.

This was not an accident, this was done intentionally.

They intentionally put the cart up there, but I think it is unlikely they did it with the intent to injure someone.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: TheSiege

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: TheSiege

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Fvck....do they know who did it. whoever did it needs to be charged with some serious sh1t

i disagree, their motive albeit stupid, wasn't to injure someone, they were just trying to be pranksters. it was a freak accident, and they need to be punished, but don't through in juvenile care just because it was a prank gone bad.

Prank or not, the point is they set something up that was potentially dangerous to another person (and in this case was).....I say charge them, with the most severe charge possible.

Don't coddle the little b1tches.

well then lets prosecute mcdonalds sony and toyota
mcdonalds leads to heart disease
sony creates exploding batteries
toyota has to recall a bunch of scions

what they did hurts thousands and they get no punishment...

Wow you are dumb to draw such a comparsion. Just blow my mind how dumb you could be.

QFT!!!!

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DanDrop
The fact of the matter is, his actions, whether intentional or not has paralyzed a person who was just DOING THEIR JOB to feed their family.

The person was NOT paralyzed, and I think that is a significant factor.

This was not an accident, this was done intentionally.

They intentionally put the cart up there, but I think it is unlikely they did it with the intent to injure someone.

while i doubt they did it to injure someone it has happened. should the be in jail for 5-10 years? no. but i would have no trouble with having them in jail a year or two and paying for every penny of the medical expenses.

If there is a permanent injury they should also have to pay for medical expenses for that.

this is going ot haunt them for the res of there lives and rightfully so. hopefully it shows up on their record etc.
while it was a prank it had bad consequences.

 

[TheNinja]

I'll be if the judge asks the woman if she agrees with a reduced sentence, that she probably won't stick her neck out for these boys.

 

[Cattlegod]

They shouldn't get punished that badly even if they are found. It was an accident. They should get charged with trespassing or vandalism - what the specific crime was that they did.

I mean, what about a 5y/o girl who says boo to someone while trick or treating and the person gets spooked and falls into traffic, eventually dying from the injuries. Do we put the 5y/o girl on death row? According to some of you, we do.