Shooting in NOLA leaves 3 dead and 7 injured

Greenman

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Thoughts and prayers.


Whew, I'm so relieved to know that it's only 6:30 am local time and I've already done everything humanly possible to prevent future gun violence.
That statement carries more truth than you ever intended.
 

dank69

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Thoughts and prayers.


Whew, I'm so relieved to know that it's only 6:30 am local time and I've already done everything humanly possible to prevent future gun violence.
You can probably skip church and go straight to drinking.
 

Jaskalas

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Wtf...
were these things always happening or is there an uptake?

A shooting in a distant city? Before social media, before the internet, how would you hear of it? How would you know it existed? It did, and you didn't. Your local news stations and news papers had no time for that. If they reported every shooting in America they would literally have no space or time to report on anything else. They prioritize. Your news was chosen. They chose variety, or different issues. Only shootings they deemed worthy made it to their headlines.

Now there is a national connection. A fabric and social awareness like nothing humanity has ever seen. We can witness the world as it is more truthfully today, more than our parents could ever imagine or dream of in their youth. Imagine if, in 1992, you got a news feed for every one of the 14,000+ victims of gun violence in the United States instead of a statistical number at the end of the year. That was more than one and a half every hour. Something that is always in your face. Phone beeps, oh another murder. Beep. Beep. Beep. It's ringing, that twitter feed can be a murder hotline if you want it to be. You can be aware of all sorts of events occurring in the nation. That was largely impossible before.

On the flip side, the more we hear of these things... the more copycats will imitate it. The more it makes sense to them to cause this sort of violence instead of another kind. In addition, thanks to trickle down (40+ years and counting) our people haven't felt this kind of pain or misery since the great depression. There's a lot of guns and hopelessness in this country. Mix it together and that's a lot of stress and desperation with itchy trigger fingers.

The police know how dangerous this country is. They are trained to shoot first and ask questions later if their suspect so much as flinches. Why? Because they are afraid. Of being killed in a split second by a guy with a gun. That is why they end up killing so many people when they shouldn't. They are reacting properly to an improper setup. A system filled with fear and of gun violence. Their reality is also our reality. I know it may be shocking to learn just how much there is, but maybe that awareness can become the impetus for change.

Maybe Americans can become educated enough to learn how they are living, and that it does not need to be that way anymore.
 

cytg111

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A shooting in a distant city? Before social media, before the internet, how would you hear of it? How would you know it existed? It did, and you didn't. Your local news stations and news papers had no time for that. If they reported every shooting in America they would literally have no space or time to report on anything else. They prioritize. Your news was chosen. They chose variety, or different issues. Only shootings they deemed worthy made it to their headlines.

Now there is a national connection. A fabric and social awareness like nothing humanity has ever seen. We can witness the world as it is more truthfully today, more than our parents could ever imagine or dream of in their youth. Imagine if, in 1992, you got a news feed for every one of the 14,000+ victims of gun violence in the United States instead of a statistical number at the end of the year. That was more than one and a half every hour. Something that is always in your face. Phone beeps, oh another murder. Beep. Beep. Beep. It's ringing, that twitter feed can be a murder hotline if you want it to be. You can be aware of all sorts of events occurring in the nation. That was largely impossible before.

On the flip side, the more we hear of these things... the more copycats will imitate it. The more it makes sense to them to cause this sort of violence instead of another kind. In addition, thanks to trickle down (40+ years and counting) our people haven't felt this kind of pain or misery since the great depression. There's a lot of guns and hopelessness in this country. Mix it together and that's a lot of stress and desperation with itchy trigger fingers.

The police know how dangerous this country is. They are trained to shoot first and ask questions later if their suspect so much as flinches. Why? Because they are afraid. Of being killed in a split second by a guy with a gun. That is why they end up killing so many people when they shouldn't. They are reacting properly to an improper setup. A system filled with fear and of gun violence. Their reality is also our reality. I know it may be shocking to learn just how much there is, but maybe that awareness can become the impetus for change.

Maybe Americans can become educated enough to learn how they are living, and that it does not need to be that way anymore.
I whole heartedly agree. Sign of our times and one of the big hurdles this and the next generation must find a way to tackle, flow and interpretation connected data.
(Sure as hell shouldnt be up to Zuckerberg to make those calls.)
 

compuwiz1

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Looks like this was gang related. A gang affiliate was being chased by two other gang members and thought running into a crowd would stop them from shooting him. The gang bangers then fired indiscriminately into the crowd, but also killed their target.
 

Jhhnn

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The police know how dangerous this country is. They are trained to shoot first and ask questions later if their suspect so much as flinches. Why? Because they are afraid. Of being killed in a split second by a guy with a gun. That is why they end up killing so many people when they shouldn't. They are reacting properly to an improper setup. A system filled with fear and of gun violence. Their reality is also our reality. I know it may be shocking to learn just how much there is, but maybe that awareness can become the impetus for change.

Lotta bullshit in that.

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People who lack the courage to give citizens the benefit of the doubt shouldn't be cops.
 

shortylickens

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http://nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html


Keep in mind, 2001 was the year police had to deal with multiple terrorists attacks. I dont think any of them were in DC, just New York. But that list also does not indicate how many were shot, how many were stabbed, run over, OR, died in an accident while they happened to be on duty.

Compared to the amount of people THEY SHOOT each year, its quite insignificant.
Not saying I hate cops, just saying every other developed country on earth has a much smaller problem than we do. Absolute or per capita.
 

Jhhnn

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So then using the same logic the AWB didn't do jack to reduce homicides?

Duh-vert more. The homicide rate fell dramatically 20 years ago. The notion that cops & all of us are less safe than from 1970-1990 is false.
 

Thunder 57

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Duh-vert more. The homicide rate fell dramatically 20 years ago. The notion that cops & all of us are less safe than from 1970-1990 is false.

But relevant. Plenty call for banning assault weapons and sometimes all firearms after a shooting, yet when they were banned, the murder rate kept on dropping!
 

brycejones

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Well as ammosexuals love to point out assault weapons aren't really involved in most gun crimes. So we should look at including more types of firearms in the scope of any future legislation.
 

Thunder 57

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Well as ammosexuals love to point out assault weapons aren't really involved in most gun crimes. So we should look at including more types of firearms in the scope of any future legislation.

Go do it in your own state. Because states with strict guns laws are so safe. If easy access to guns meant more shootings, there would be plenty in the South and Midwest. I'm sure some bozo will find a statistic about firearms in the home "increasing" the likelihood of a death. Well, that's going to include suicides and idiots who have no regard for gun safety.

Shitty parents don't need to take a test to have/raise a kid, but shitty parents can easily get guns. That is a problem that should be fixed. Both can lead to crime and murder.

Also, when someone in this forum comments about wanting "more dead cops", and nearly no one finds that appalling, I think that gives me a pretty good temperature of the forum. I'm done with you or anyone else who cannot hold a reasonable discussion.

EDIT

Well shit, I forgot to mention how gun violence is clearly a cultural and economic problem. Fix those, and you fix the problem.
 
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Jhhnn

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But relevant. Plenty call for banning assault weapons and sometimes all firearms after a shooting, yet when they were banned, the murder rate kept on dropping!

The AWB expired 14 years ago. It had negligible effect at the time. Since then, previously banned weapons have become the tool of choice for several mass murderers & likely more to come. And why not? They're extremely well engineered for one purpose, killing a lot of people in a short period of time.
 

Thunder 57

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The AWB expired 14 years ago. It had negligible effect at the time. Since then, previously banned weapons have become the tool of choice for several mass murderers & likely more to come. And why not? They're extremely well engineered for one purpose, killing a lot of people in a short period of time.

You probably missed my edit, where I say it is a cultural and economic (and mental health) problem. These kids doing the school shooting aren't buying assault rifles, they are getting them from other sources (family). That comes down to irresponsible gun owners.
 

Jaskalas

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Duh-vert more. The homicide rate fell dramatically 20 years ago. The notion that cops & all of us are less safe than from 1970-1990 is false.

Oh, this country does not have a gun problem? Forgive my ignorance.
 

Jhhnn

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Oh, this country does not have a gun problem? Forgive my ignorance.

Oddly enough that hasn't translated into a higher homicide rate. My point is that cops are safer than they were 30 years ago but the training & attitudes instilled often don't reflect that.

It's tangential to this incident, anyway. With some luck the perps will face justice.
 

DrunkenSano

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My last trip to Baton Rouge I was thinking of checking out NOLA and the French Quarter area. I was told by the locals that the area is no longer safe and hasn't been since post-Katrina. To be very careful if I did end up going.
 

Atreus21

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My last trip to Baton Rouge I was thinking of checking out NOLA and the French Quarter area. I was told by the locals that the area is no longer safe and hasn't been since post-Katrina. To be very careful if I did end up going.

I'm a local, and that's idiocy.