Shooting in JPEG - default settings or saturation+?

Throckmorton

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I have a Sony HX1, which Sony decided not to give RAW support to, only overcompressed JPEG (9 megapixels down to <4mb files).

The HX1 has 3 settings to adjust color, Color Mode, Color Saturation, and Color Filter (don't care about that one). CM lets you pick between normal, vivid, real, sepia, and b&w. CS lets you pick between -, standard, +.

Within a few days of getting it I switched to the "vivid" color setting, which increases saturation and contrast. I knew it was just the camera doing post processing but I liked the high contrast effect especially in bright direct sunlight. It made processing unnecessary or minimal on most pics.

But... then I noticed I was reducing contrast more and more to undo some of the camera's processing. I switched down to the "standard" settings. I figured it's the right thing to do anyway and using settings to make the pics look better was just a guilty indulgence. Now of course all my pictures require a lot of processing just to match reality, and then a little more to "pop".

Well I'd always assumed default settings is the *best* because the JPEG saved is as close as possible to what the sensor captures. But then I realized that any kind of post-processing reduces the amount of information stored in the photo, the more processing the more information is lost, and therefore shooting "standard" might not be the way to go. I tried some pictures in saturation+ and colors are usually much closer to reality and what I want the photos to look like.

Is it immoral and unethical and sinful to shoot JPEGs with saturation+? I feel like it makes sense when it gets you closer to the final result, as the camera is processing its raw sensor data and and capturing more information as JPEG than I do when I process the "default" JPEG. It's apparent mainly with blue skies. Upping saturation and reducing luminosity of blue pixels seems to always highlight JPEG artifacting, the bigger the change the more artifacting.

I use Lightroom for my postprocessing by the way.
 

sixone

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Immoral, unethical, or sinful to use a tool to get as close to the end-result that you want?

Which of the seven deadly sins do you think this falls under?
 

JohnnyRebel

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The Vivid color mode probable does do too much. I like my colors to pop, also. On my Nikon, I had good results with Saturation + (back when I shot JPEG).

JR
 

RobDickinson

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You can always add more colour or sharpening or contrast later.

You cant remove it later.

+Colour will cause blown channels easier. +contrast will cause block of shadows and blowing of hilites more.

If you want as close to RAW as you can get set it to neutral colour with no contrast or sharpening. It'll look like crap until you fix it later tho.
 

Throckmorton

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I really think too much information gets lost when I increase saturation in postprocessing to match what the camera does. I took some saturation+ pics today and I'm amazed at how good my trees and the sky look. I'm increasing blue saturation slightly, and not getting the artifacting I was before.

I tried to take some pics with both options to compare but I don't think they show anything useful.
 
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Munky

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Usually, the picture adjustments like sharpness and saturation happen in camera with the raw sensor data, before it gets converted to jpeg. So, if you want to boost saturation while preserving as much tonal data as possible, you should let the camera handle it. The obvious down side of this is that you give up the ability to fine-tune the parameters yourself.
 

Throckmorton

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Usually, the picture adjustments like sharpness and saturation happen in camera with the raw sensor data, before it gets converted to jpeg. So, if you want to boost saturation while preserving as much tonal data as possible, you should let the camera handle it. The obvious down side of this is that you give up the ability to fine-tune the parameters yourself.

Ah, that's what I was trying to say. The tone ranges of R,G,B I guess are compressed to a smaller range when you adjust after the fact.
 
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