Shooting in Denmark during debate on Islam

[Sulaco]

A Paris shooter was identified because they inexplicably left an ID. Do you need a citation for this claim, or is it your strong personal belief that posting facts makes someone a "nutter?"

I'm aware of the facts of the case, chief.

My comment was in response to your insinuation, namely the "for no explicable reason" bit, insinuating that the ID was planted/faked/false flag/ conspiracy nutjob ad nauseam.

 

[schmuckley]

Concealed carry is the answer. Arm all citizens and then the terrorists can be taken out.

This is true..also distribute lard for them to coat their bullets with

I'm dipping tips in lard right now.
:awe:

It would be so easy to put on a radical Muslim drive..

Release a line of pigs and watch them flushed from cover everywhere.

 

[silicon]

This is true..also distribute lard for them to coat their bullets with

I'm dipping tips in lard right now.
:awe:

It would be so easy to put on a radical Muslim drive..

Release a line of pigs and watch them flushed from cover everywhere.

lol

 

[zinfamous]

I just don't get their hypocrisy. They move to West (Europe) because their own fu*****-up caliphates offer no hope. Then after enjoying all benefits of West, they turn their backs on them, and want to go back?

these are usually the children of those that have fled. The kids don't know shit about their homeland, only the propaganda that they have access to, magnified by the daily life of being brown-skinned and muslim in countries that are rabidly racist.

I think the primary problem is the previous generation not doing enough to take care of their kids and make sure the mosques that they attend aren't littered with jihadist asshats. Though, I'm sure it isn't that simple, either.

 

[Phynaz]

Where's green bean with his outrage?

 

[biostud]

these are usually the children of those that have fled. The kids don't know shit about their homeland, only the propaganda that they have access to, magnified by the daily life of being brown-skinned and muslim in countries that are rabidly racist.

I think the primary problem is the previous generation not doing enough to take care of their kids and make sure the mosques that they attend aren't littered with jihadist asshats. Though, I'm sure it isn't that simple, either.

Just read an interesting article from one of the former "muslim" boys involved in crime etc. in his youth. He now has an education and job. He put the blame on the parents lack of managing their own family, and that society should be better to assist families or take away the children from these dysfunctional families. Some of the families are plagued by violence, PTSD and simply not having the ability to function in such a different society from their own.

I think it's pretty important to stress that most Muslims actually have a functional life, gets education and jobs here in Europe, but there is a group which doesn't function very well, and it is the problems in this specific group that should be targeted, not the Muslims as one large group.

 

[blastingcap]

I think it's pretty important to stress that most Muslims actually have a functional life, gets education and jobs here in Europe, but there is a group which doesn't function very well, and it is the problems in this specific group that should be targeted, not the Muslims as one large group.

The intra-Muslim divide reminds me of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4

 

[StrangerGuy]

Muslim infighting - Sunni vs. Shia, etc. - is hardly new and well predates the U.S. interference in the Middle East, though. And no-one said the Americans or anyone else was SOLELY responsible for this mess

There are plenty of successful countries where the West and interfered heavily with their politics and economics. Blaming America when you are selfish prick who keep making kids that you can't properly support makes you a big fat hypocrite.

 

[Black Octagon]

There are plenty of successful countries where the West and interfered heavily with their politics and economics. Blaming America when you are selfish prick who keep making kids that you can't properly support makes you a big fat hypocrite.

Which countries?

 

[realibrad]

Which countries?

Define what you mean by interfered and I or others will give you a list. It will be hard to link them as causation though, as economics is kinda complex.

 

[Black Octagon]

Define what you mean by interfered and I or others will give you a list. It will be hard to link them as causation though, as economics is kinda complex.

Military intervention, e.g., bringing troops onto sovereign territory, arming a party in a regional conflict, establishing/maintaining military bases in places of strategic proximity or other significance, etc.

 

[realibrad]

Military intervention, e.g., bringing troops onto sovereign territory, arming a party in a regional conflict, establishing/maintaining military bases in places of strategic proximity or other significance, etc.

England, France, China, South Korea. Those are some.

 

[Black Octagon]

England, France, China, South Korea. Those are some.

What do you refer to with South Korea? The Korean War?

 

[Sulaco]

What do you refer to with South Korea? The Korean War?

Um...you realize the US has and has maintained over a dozen military bases in South Korea, yes? Which is one of your own requirements you just posted, did you not?

 

[shortylickens]

Only Islam could make the happiest people on earth start shooting.

 

[Black Octagon]

Um...you realize the US has and has maintained over a dozen military bases in South Korea, yes? Which is one of your own requirements you just posted, did you not?

One of the US' biggest ever bases was in Saudi Arabia. It does.not necessary mean that that country's prosperity is thanks to said military presence. Many would also argue that this military presence has fueled multiple regional problems and tensions, even if the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia itself is "doing well"

 

[Sulaco]

One of the US' biggest ever bases was in Saudi Arabia. It does.not necessary mean that that country's prosperity is thanks to said military presence. Many would also argue that this military presence has fueled multiple regional problems and tensions, even if the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia itself is "doing well"

Ok, but that...has nothing to do with what was just posted.

You asked for countries that were "doing well" that had US military or economic intervention. But your own definition, this included

"establishing/maintaining military bases in places of strategic proximity or other significance, etc

...several were named, that meet that criteria, that are doing more than "ok", including South Korea, which is a world economic power, and which you apparently did not realize maintained a significant American military presence, hence your confused response about the Korean War.

No one made any comment about Saudi Arabia or any nation's welfare being due to US military presence, but it's simply inarguable that many nations are economically successful while maintaining a US military force.

 

[Black Octagon]

Ok, but that...has nothing to do with what was just posted.

You asked for countries that were "doing well" that had US military or economic intervention. But your own definition, this included

...several were named, that meet that criteria, that are doing more than "ok", including South Korea, which is a world economic power, and which you apparently did not realize maintained a significant American military presence, hence your confused response about the Korean War.

No one made any comment about Saudi Arabia or any nation's welfare being due to US military presence, but it's simply inarguable that many nations are economically successful while maintaining a US military force.

You are assuming a little too much from what I posted.

The original statement was "There are plenty of successful countries where the West and interfered heavily with their politics and economics. Blaming America when you are selfish prick who keep making kids that you can't properly support makes you a big fat hypocrite."

This implies - to me at least - that problems in these countries and their neighborhoods should not be directed solely at the US' actions, just as it is incorrect to credit those countries' success to the US' actions. I agree with that.

I was just asking what kind of "heavy interference" the poster had in mind, as the main one for me is military interference. The response included Korea as an example country, but did not specify what type of military interference was referred to. I again requested clarification, and YOU all but attacked me for it.

...almost as if me asking questions was cause for hostility

 

[JimmiG]

Just read an interesting article from one of the former "muslim" boys involved in crime etc. in his youth. He now has an education and job. He put the blame on the parents lack of managing their own family, and that society should be better to assist families or take away the children from these dysfunctional families. Some of the families are plagued by violence, PTSD and simply not having the ability to function in such a different society from their own.

I think it's pretty important to stress that most Muslims actually have a functional life, gets education and jobs here in Europe, but there is a group which doesn't function very well, and it is the problems in this specific group that should be targeted, not the Muslims as one large group.

Authorities have basically lost control over the muslim-majority districts of the biggest cities. In this vacuum of authority, they function like Islamist mini-states within the state, with their own informal governments and laws. Since these areas are completely cut off from the rest of society of the host country, they're breeding grounds for all sorts of crime, discontent and extremism.

Like any civil war, it starts with civil unrest - riots, rocks thrown, cars torched etc. Now the violence is becoming more deadly. I'd say we're about 2-5 years from a full civil war in some western European countries.

 

[Sulaco]

The response included Korea as an example country, but did not specify what type of military interference was referred to. I again requested clarification, and YOU all but attacked me for it.

...almost as if me asking questions was cause for hostility

Nonsense. If you consider that an attack, you need a thicker skin.

You clearly seemed confused regarding the previous poster's mentioning of Korea, hence why you posted

What do you refer to with South Korea? The Korean War?

...despite the fact that S. Korea has had over a dozen US military bases on its peninsula for decades and clearly met the requirements of your previous statement.

 

[Black Octagon]

Nonsense. If you consider that an attack, you need a thicker skin.



You clearly seemed confused regarding the previous poster's mentioning of Korea, hence why you posted







...despite the fact that S. Korea has had over a dozen US military bases on its peninsula for decades and clearly met the requirements of your previous statement.

Fine. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Mea culpa.

More on topic: the identity of the Copenhagen shooter has been released. Though of Arabic descent, the 22-year old kid appears to have no obvious link to any "terrorist" network. He was, however, fresh out of prison and with a very troubled youth: http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...omar-el-hussein-a-past-full-of-contradictions

Edit: that article also states that he "was always quick to debate the Palestine issue"