Shooting at UC Berkeley--Haas School of Business

[AyashiKaibutsu]

If a bunch of yokels drew arms and tried hunting down the hiding gunman, I'm sure it would have turned out much better.

 

[halik]

None of this can be true, as berkeley campus is a gun free zone.

 

[halik]

If a bunch of yokels drew arms and tried hunting down the hiding gunman, I'm sure it would have turned out much better.

When has that ever happened?

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

When has that ever happened?

Isn't that the point of letting people carry on campuses? Are you suggesting the people wanting to do so is just so they can show and tell?

 

[halik]

Isn't that the point of letting people carry on campuses? Are you suggesting the people wanting to do so is just so they can show and tell?

No, more so they don't end up getting executed ala 99% of school shootings? You do realize you can't legally "draw arms and hunt down" anything, right?

State and federal laws have strict rules on when you're actually justified in using lethal force; and you have to know the statues as part of the concealed carry license.

Your argument is analogous to states preventing issuance of driver's licenses, because they fear yokels will jump their cars a la dukes of hazard.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

No, more so they don't end up getting executed ala 99% of school shootings? You do realize you can't legally "draw arms and hunt down" anything, right?

State and federal laws have strict rules on when you're actually justified in using lethal force; and you have to know the statues as part of the concealed carry license.

Yea state and federal laws are going to stop people now... I thought they were useless at stopping people from breaking them?

 

[halik]

Yea state and federal laws are going to stop people now... I thought they were useless at stopping people from breaking them?

You're being intentionally obtuse; people wouldn't go through the legal process of obtaining a concealed carry license if they're planning on ignoring the law immediately afterwards. You can bring a gun anywhere; but you can't legally bring it to a gun-free zone.

Laws merely prevent law-abiding citizens from doing things.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

You're being intentionally obtuse; people wouldn't go through the legal process of obtaining a concealed carry license if they're planning on ignoring the law immediately afterwards. You can bring a gun anywhere; but you can't legally bring it to a gun-free zone.

Laws merely prevent law-abiding citizens from doing things.

You're being obtuse in your assumption of what a bunch of people with guns will do in a crazy situation.

 

[halik]

You're being obtuse in your assumption of what a bunch of people with guns will do in a crazy situation.

I do believe that was your assumption and I merely asked for some evidence of your conjecture (ever) happening.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I do believe that was your assumption and I merely asked for some evidence of your conjecture (ever) happening.

The situations never arisen because of things like no gun zones. It hasn't stopped people from arguing "laws do nothing! moar guns guns everywhere! and we'll be safe"

 

[halik]

The situations never arisen because of things like no gun zones. It hasn't stopped people from arguing "laws do nothing! moar guns guns everywhere! and we'll be safe"

Ha yeah,
the many, many instances when unstable people somehow managed to get a gun inside of a gun-free zone worked out great. Just ask people at VT. Southern states have bar far the most liberal approach to concealed carry (even in bars etc) and your scenario hasn't played out there either. Could it be, perhaps, because you're making a dogmatic argument?

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

It is a good thing all those no firearms signs stopped anyone with a firearm from coming on campus!

We should just get rid of all the laws and rules, because a tiny percentage of the populate don't abide by them.

Facepalm.

 

[zinfamous]

Pics of gf?

OK

 

[zinfamous]

State and federal laws have strict rules on when you're actually justified in using lethal force; and you have to know the statues as part of the concealed carry license.

Berkeley has a lot of statues.

I promise you this.

 

[zinfamous]

Laws merely prevent law-abiding citizens from doing things.

I think I just had a logic stroke.


just a sec....

 

[zinfamous]

Dean of Haas just finished a meeting for staff and faculty:

The shooter was an undergrad student at Haas, and died last night at the hospital.

Looks like a case of suicide by cop. He had plenty of opportunity to shoot people while hiding out in that lab for roughly 20 minutes; but he didn't. Only when the cops confronted him, did he pull out his gun and aim it at them.

 

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Student gunman shot by UC Berkeley police dies
November 16, 2011 | 10:40 am

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Photo: Students and faculty sitting outside of the Haas School of Business at UC Berkeley. Credit: Jeff Chiu / Associated Press

A student shot by UC Berkeley police as he brandished a gun in a computer lab at the Haas School of Business has died of his wounds, officials said.

Berkeley officials said the man, who died Tuesday evening, was a senior at the business school and had transferred to UC Berkeley. His name was not released by authorities.

He was conscious when he was taken to Highland Hospital, where he underwent surgery.

He entered the business school Tuesday afternoon and walked into an elevator with a female employee of the school, said UC Police Chief Mitch Celaya.

He pressed the button for the third floor and the woman for the fifth floor, Celaya said.
The student then looked at the woman, pulled out what appeared to be a gun from a backpack and then put it back, police said. After leaving the elevator, the staff member told her supervisor and both went to the computer lab.

They saw the student there and called police.

Police received a 911 call at 2:17 p.m., and three officers responded two minutes later.

The student then "pulled a firearm out of his backpack and displayed it in a threatening manner," Celaya said.

He said the officers told the student to drop his weapon, and when he didn't, one of the officers fired. Police would not say how many shots were fired.

Officials told the Oakland Tribune they would review a security video of the incident. One witness said he heard parts of the incident.

"I heard them say, 'Drop the gun! Drop the gun!' and I heard four or five shots," student Alex Arroyo told the paper. "When we heard the shots, we all dropped to the ground, and about 30 seconds later the police came out and said, 'Everybody get out, get out.' "

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/student-gunman-shot-by-uc-berkeley-police-dies.html

 

[JS80]

If a bunch of yokels drew arms and tried hunting down the hiding gunman, I'm sure it would have turned out much better.

link of this happening? ever?

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

link of this happening? ever?

Did I say it happened? Situations like this are rare and most places have laws preventing it and even in places that don't not everyone carries guns. Are you trying to say that this situation would have worked out better if we added more civilians with guns to it? If not there's no point responding to my post.

 

[Farmer]

Did I say it happened? Situations like this are rare and most places have laws preventing it and even in places that don't not everyone carries guns. Are you trying to say that this situation would have worked out better if we added more civilians with guns to it? If not there's no point responding to my post.

You're assuming if more people had guns, they would be "yokels," and that's a pretty dipshit assumption.

So really there is no point in posting what you did.

Yeah, we're aware there are laws "preventing" people from shooting other people for no good reason I mean pretty much everywhere in the US. That doesn't mean people won't still do it. Those people, who break the law? They're called criminals! Oh wow, I bet you didn't know that word did you.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

You're assuming if more people had guns, they would be "yokels," and that's a pretty dipshit assumption.

So really there is no point in posting what you did.

Yeah, we're aware there are laws "preventing" people from shooting other people for no good reason I mean pretty much everywhere in the US. That doesn't mean people won't still do it. Those people, who break the law? They're called criminals! Oh wow, I bet you didn't know that word did you.

Hahaha, yea the yokels part was a joke. Lighten up.