Shooting at Jacksonville Madden tournament

[ch33zw1z]

Ban video games.

 

[Jaskalas]

Ban video games.

Well, if we're going to go there.... ban Twitch! That way I don't have to see the carnage the second amendment causes.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Well, if we're going to go there.... ban Twitch! That way I don't have to see the carnage the second amendment causes.

Yup, anything else. Let's ban football and toss Madden in jail while we're at it.

 

[soulcougher73]

It would be, if there was any such thing as "video game addiction." Video games are no different than any form of repeatable entertainment. No one talks about "TV addiction" anymore even though the average American spends over 20 hours per week watching TV. It's a cultural bias that some people have with video games, because they associate them with children and think the activity is especially frivolous.

If anything can be "addictive," then nothing is addictive. A real "addiction" is a physical dependency.

You’re stupid. That’s all that really needs to be said.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Addiction is a combination of physical dependancy and mental reward system. It's not one or the other.

I prefer to overall define addiction as a disease that controls your actions to the detriment of yourself and loved ones.

I use this as an example:

Caffeine vs heroin

I'm caffeine dependant. I require caffeine daily or physical withdrawal symtpons will start and last a couple days. I dont consider this addiction, because i wont change much to continue the dependancy. Wont sell my couch, spend grocery money on it instead, etc...

Heroin, well....the physical withdrawal is severe in comparison, and the mental reward is far greater, turning even the toughest mind to addiction. The mental addiction to a chemical such as opiates will latest far far longer than the physical, and will override any care about the potential physical withdrawal next time around. Driving even the straightest laces to criminal behavior in order to feed the need.

 

[zinfamous]

It would be, if there was any such thing as "video game addiction." Video games are no different than any form of repeatable entertainment. No one talks about "TV addiction" anymore even though the average American spends over 20 hours per week watching TV. It's a cultural bias that some people have with video games, because they associate them with children and think the activity is especially frivolous.

If anything can be "addictive," then nothing is addictive. A real "addiction" is a physical dependency.

I think people can develop a physical dependency on video games. There are certainly cases where individuals sit for unending hours glued to a screen--the instant gratification/repeated dopamine injections you get from achieving milestones in games is recognized as being addictive. It's analogous to your biochemical reward system being replaced by nicotine or heroine. It's not the exact same component, because there is no drug involved (unless you start combining the activity with caffeine drinks, booze or well, other drugs--Hey! notice how Fry's always sells cases of energy drinks at the checkout line? lol), but an addict can desensitize their body and replace that reward system through behavior.

If your brain is fucked on video games to the point where you find yourself spending many many hours every day, neglecting socialization, responsibilities, and even nutrition...how is that not a physical addiction? You shut your body down of normal stimulus--not hungry, not thirsty, one more level!

 

[brycejones]

That's not what I responded to, that's not the topic, and handen't been mentioned before my post.

My personal opinion is that about a third of the population are to stupid, angry, ill, or just generally fucked up to own firearms.

Tends to have a Nexus with Trump's base...

 

[Puffnstuff]

The shooter has been positively identified as David Katz from Baltimore, MD.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/mass-shooting-at-jacksonville-landing

 

[TheVrolok]

Another shooting? Only single digits dead? Boring, change the channel please.

 

[UNCjigga]

I'm curious. As a non gun owner, how does one legally transport firearms through the airport? Does the gun have to be secured in your checked bag (no carry-on obviously) and do you need a special permit, or can you only do that between certain states?

Of course, I'm assuming the shooter flew from Baltimore to Jacksonville, but it's certainly driveable down I-95.

 

[BUTCH1]

Addicted to the game, sure, I'll go for that but it does not explain the violence when he lost, I guess it's possible he was a loner and thought if he lost this tournament he'd have no reason to live. Jesus we're living in fuc*ed up times.

 

[JSt0rm]

nothing to be done about it.

 

[woolfe9998]

You’re stupid. That’s all that really needs to be said.

If I'm so "stupid" on this, then the issue is simple and there is no controversy among professionals. But that isn't the case. The APA was asked to put "internet gaming disorder" into the DSM V and they declined to do so. That's because they have no idea if excessive time spent gaming is a disorder itself or a symptom of another problem.

 

[Darwin333]

Evidentally he was the official Madden player for the Buffalo Bills. I bet this causes the teams and the NFL, who has been seriously warming up and funding the Esport Madden thing, to seriously distance themselves. Maybe they will double down to support as a show of support for the victims but one of their teams sponsored/endorsed the guy that did the shooting, this isn't going to look good for them at all.

 

[MixMasterTang]

I'm curious. As a non gun owner, how does one legally transport firearms through the airport? Does the gun have to be secured in your checked bag (no carry-on obviously) and do you need a special permit, or can you only do that between certain states?

Of course, I'm assuming the shooter flew from Baltimore to Jacksonville, but it's certainly driveable down I-95.

I've never traveled with a gun, but have flown plenty and seen other people travel with their guns. Basically it has to be checked in separately, usually with TSA and must be in a locked case and then retrieved basically the same way. No permits required.

 

[soulcougher73]

If I'm so "stupid" on this, then the issue is simple and there is no controversy among professionals. But that isn't the case. The APA was asked to put "internet gaming disorder" into the DSM V and they declined to do so. That's because they have no idea if excessive time spent gaming is a disorder itself or a symptom of another problem.

The problem was trying to compare video gaming with tv shows, video game are very competitive and this can be addicting. Watching a tv show doesn’t compare as you are not competing with another viewer to gain anything, so it’s not competitive, outside of actually being a contestant on a game show.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Murica

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/c...m-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I am betting angry nerd teen who got into an argument with somebody at that tournament, or a previous gaming session.

They said Madden... Not Starcraft/Halo/Anything that requires real thought process.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Evidentally he was the official Madden player for the Buffalo Bills.

What a time to be alive

 

[woolfe9998]

The problem was trying to compare video gaming with tv shows, video game are very competitive and this can be addicting. Watching a tv show doesn’t compare as you are not competing with another viewer to gain anything, so it’s not competitive, outside of actually being a contestant on a game show.

Television has its own hooks. You keep watching to find out what happens next. When one episode ends, people will load up the next even though it's late at night. These days with online streaming people will binge watch entire seasons of shows in a single day. And there's at least 10x as many shows now than there was 30 years ago.

Average American watches 35 hours of TV per week. That's just short of a full time job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_consumption

While with video games, the average person who plays them (not the average American) plays 6 hours per week.

https://www.limelight.com/resources/white-paper/state-of-online-gaming-2018/#spend

Sorry, I stand by my statement that labeling excessive game playing as an addiction but not excessive TV watching is hypocrisy. For crissakes, "average" TV viewing is excessive.

Also, which activity is the bigger waste of time? TV is passive. Gaming is interactive and requires the use of your brain. Online gaming also has a strong social component that TV does not have.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/c...m-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

Yay stats from a pro gun fake "research" center. Aka John lott he of little credibility.

https://medium.com/@CKava/citing-th...esource-is-extremely-problematic-f6ff5d5f9724

 

[MomentsofSanity]

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/c...m-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

Oh come on man this is from John Lott. The man is a fraud. He has been repeatedly outed for his unethical and, at times, completely fabricated “statistics”.

There’s a reason he uses such a narrow window for this. What he doesn’t show is that no other country than the US had more than 3 occurrences. Many had just one. Then there’s the U.S. Dozens during the same period.

How about we look at the number of incidents vs. rate of gun ownership. Look it up. You’ll find the US has mass shootings at a massively higher rate vs. an ownership rate that is at most 2.5-3x higher. The U.S accounts for two thirds of all mass shootings in the industrialized world. Yes double all other countries combined.

 

[JSt0rm]

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/c...m-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

clearly it isnt an issue.

 

[JSt0rm]

Oh come on man this is from John Lott. The man is a fraud. He has been repeatedly outed for his unethical and, at times, completely fabricated “statistics”.

There’s a reason he uses such a narrow window for this. What he doesn’t show is that no other country than the US had more than 3 occurrences. Many had just one. Then there’s the U.S. Dozens during the same period.

How about we look at the number of incidents vs. rate of gun ownership. Look it up. You’ll find the US has mass shootings at a massively higher rate vs. an ownership rate that is at most 2.5-3x higher. The U.S accounts for two thirds of all mass shootings in the industrialized world. Yes double all other countries combined.

what? uglycas would lie to us?

 

[zinfamous]

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/c...m-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

Jesus fucking christ. do you want to wonder why a a specific year was chosen for that window, just so that Norway could edge on in there with their only-ever mass shooting, as catastrophic as it was?

Are you interested in thoroughly manipulated data that "mysteriously" has no p-value score? Well, here it is. Candy-ass motherfucker wouldn't pass his first Stats 101 pop quiz with dirt like this.