shooting an intruder with a borrowed gun.

[brblx]

legal? as in, can i borrow my friend's legally owned shotgun and keep it in my house for a couple days because i suspect someone of trying to pull some shit?

seems like it would be fine, but if the worst happens and i'm forced to shoot a motherfucker, will it bring him any legal troubles?

 

[TehMac]

dead men tell no tales.


edit: to clarify for all the gun hating sexually retarded morons, shoot to kill, or else call the cops.


Don't pull any vigilante shit. And frankly, borrowing a gun sounds like a terrible idea. Use a hammer instead. Perfectly legal and very dangerous if you're competent.

 

[Tweak155]

I think it might bring him troubles.

 

[Regs]

Even if I was a lawyer, I wouldn't touch this thread with a 100 foot poll. Are you nutts asking that question?

This must be a parody.

 

[DaveSimmons]

It's harder to deny the premeditated part when you plan your killing in an internet forum.

That's one mistake I won't make twice.

 

[Kirby]

in my state, you can legally give a gun* to anyone (not sure about felons though), so it wouldn't be a problem. no registration required.

edit: It is unlawful to sell, give, lend or deliver a handgun
to any person under 18, or to a person whom the seller
has reasonable cause to believe has been convicted of a
crime of violence, is a drug addict, a habitual drunkard,
or of unsound mind.

 

[SonicIce]

If some guy is about to fucking kill you I don't think you'll be worrying about legal issues at that point. Besides, you don't need a license to own a shotgun as far as I know, might depend on where you live.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Most states allow the private transfer of a gun. It is probably okay especially if it's a "gift" or if he's just lending it to you, not selling it.

Nearly all states allow you to have a gun in your home without any sort of license or registration.

I think the hard part is going to be making sure him giving you the gun is legal. Once you have it, you're good as long as you keep it inside your house.

You're going to have to read up on your state laws to make sure.

 

[bruceb]

Not legal, as you are not the Legal Owner of the weapon. You would be charged with illegal possession of a firearm. Possibly also with illegally discharging a firearm. Possibly also with manslaughter or attempted manslaughter. In most states, you need at the very least a Federal Firearms ID card to be able to buy a long gun (rifle / shotguns) .. Here in NJ you also need a Permit to Purchase a Pistol. Another special, hard to get permit, is a Carry Permit here in NJ, as it is a "May Issue" state,so if you are not a LEO or in a risky business (say a jeweler) you will never get it. A lot of of states are "Shall Issue" which allows you to concealed carry. Generally, if you can own the gun, you can use it Inside your property for defense, IF you believe your life is in immient danger.

See NRA.org for more information

http://home.nra.org/#/home

 

[Kelvrick]

Not legal, as you are not the Legal Owner of the weapon. You would be charged with illegal possession of a firearm. Possibly also with illegally discharging a firearm. Possibly also with manslaughter or attempted manslaughter. In most states, you need at the very least a Federal Firearms ID card to be able to buy a long gun (rifle / shotguns) .. Here in NJ you also need a Permit to Purchase a Pistol. Another special, hard to get permit, is a Carry Permit here in NJ, as it is a "May Issue" state,so if you are not a LEO or in a risky business (say a jeweler) you will never get it. A lot of of states are "Shall Issue" which allows you to concealed carry. Generally, if you can own the gun, you can use it Inside your property for defense, IF you believe your life is in immient danger.

See NRA.org for more information

http://home.nra.org/#/home

I know NJ, NY and CA were bad, but I didn't know NJ was that bad. You can only posses a firearm that you are the legal owner of? Even in California, you can "lend" someone a firearm for up to 30 days as long as they're not prohibited.

Calif PC 12078:
(d)(1) Subdivision (d) of Section 12072 shall not apply to the infrequent loan of firearms between persons who are personally known to each other for any lawful purpose, if the loan does not exceed 30 days in duration and, when the firearm is a handgun, commencing Jan 1, 2003, the individual being loaned the handgun has a valid handgun safety certificate.

 

[bruceb]

Additional link to all the states rules at the NRA .. just click on the state you want info on

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

 

[Kirby]

Not legal, as you are not the Legal Owner of the weapon. You would be charged with illegal possession of a firearm. Possibly also with illegally discharging a firearm. Possibly also with manslaughter or attempted manslaughter. In most states, you need at the very least a Federal Firearms ID card to be able to buy a long gun (rifle / shotguns) .. Here in NJ you also need a Permit to Purchase a Pistol. Another special, hard to get permit, is a Carry Permit here in NJ, as it is a "May Issue" state,so if you are not a LEO or in a risky business (say a jeweler) you will never get it. A lot of of states are "Shall Issue" which allows you to concealed carry. Generally, if you can own the gun, you can use it Inside your property for defense, IF you believe your life is in immient danger.

See NRA.org for more information

http://home.nra.org/#/home

fail state is fail.

in alabama:

popo: "why did you kill him?"
you: "threatened my life, caste doctrine, etc"
popo: "where did you get the gun?"
you: "bought it from a private party, gift, etc"
popo: "good luck getting the blood out of the carpet. have a nice day."

 

[brblx]

this is tennessee, and we're just talking a shotgun in the closet in case of home intrusion or at least entry onto the property (in latter case, rack it and only shoot if they escalate instead of running or getting the fuck on the ground).

seriously, fuck fucking people.

 

[Phoenix86]

Not legal, as you are not the Legal Owner of the weapon. You would be charged with illegal possession of a firearm. Possibly also with illegally discharging a firearm.http://home.nra.org/#/home

I really wanted to tell you to check local state laws when I read this, then I read the rest of your post (second link is great btw). In Texas what the OP is doing would be no problem at all. I suspect this is legal in more states than is not. All the OP wants to do is have a gun loaned to him.

Which makes me wonder why you posted this first part at all...

 

[irishScott]

I imagine he'll be liable, but assuming it's legit self-defense then he's only liable for legit self-defense. Read: No issue.

I'm no lawyer though.

 

[DrPizza]

Not legal, as you are not the Legal Owner of the weapon. You would be charged with illegal possession of a firearm. Possibly also with illegally discharging a firearm. Possibly also with manslaughter or attempted manslaughter. In most states, you need at the very least a Federal Firearms ID card to be able to buy a long gun (rifle / shotguns) .. Here in NJ you also need a Permit to Purchase a Pistol. Another special, hard to get permit, is a Carry Permit here in NJ, as it is a "May Issue" state,so if you are not a LEO or in a risky business (say a jeweler) you will never get it. A lot of of states are "Shall Issue" which allows you to concealed carry. Generally, if you can own the gun, you can use it Inside your property for defense, IF you believe your life is in immient danger.

See NRA.org for more information

http://home.nra.org/#/home

Not sure what the hell you're talking about, but in "most states", you certainly do NOT need a federal firearms ID card to purchase a long gun. 1st chart, 7th column. 6 states, including your state. So, don't take what's true in your silly state and think it applies to most other states.
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=74

 

[bruceb]

In NJ you DO need a Firearms ID Card to buy a Long Gun
See footnote 09:

[SIZE=-1]9. Connecticut: A certificate of eligibility or a carry permit is required to obtain a handgun and a carry permit is required to transport a handgun outside your home. District of Columbia: No handgun may be possessed unless it was registered prior to Sept. 23, 1976 and re-registered by Feb. 5, 1977. A permit to purchase is required for a rifle or shotgun. Hawaii: Purchase permits are required for all firearms Illinois: A Firearm Owner`s Identification Card (FOI) is required to possess or purchase a firearm, must be issued to qualified applicants within 30 days, and is valid for 5 years. Iowa: A purchase permit is required for handguns, and is valid for one year. Massachusetts: Firearms and feeding devices for firearms are divided into classes. Depending on the class, a firearm identification card (FID) or class A license or class B license is required to possess, purchase, or carry a firearm, ammunition thereof, or firearm feeding device, or "large capacity feeding device." Michigan: A handgun purchaser must obtain a license to purchase from local law enforcement, and within 10 days present the license and handgun to obtain a certificate of inspection. Minnesota: A handgun transfer or carrying permit, or a 7-day waiting period and handgun transfer report, is required to purchase handguns or "assault weapons" from a dealer. A permit is valid for one year, a transfer report for 30 days. Missouri: A purchase permit is required for a handgun, must be issued to qualified applicants within 7 days, and is valid for 30 days. New Jersey: Firearm owners must possess a FID, which must be issued to qualified applicants within 30 days. To purchase a handgun, a purchase permit, which must be issued within 30 days to qualified applicants and is valid for 90 days, is required. An FID is required to purchase long guns. New York: Purchase, possession and/or carrying of a handgun require a single license, which includes any restrictions made upon the bearer. New York City also requires a license for long guns. North Carolina: To purchase a handgun, a license or permit is required, which must be issued to qualified applicants within 30 days. Persons with a Right-to-Carry license are exempt.[/SIZE]

I know the laws in MY state, I went thru all the paperwork to buy what I wanted to get.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

If some guy is about to fucking kill you I don't think you'll be worrying about legal issues at that point. Besides, you don't need a license to own a shotgun as far as I know, might depend on where you live.

This. My life>law and everything else.

 

[LTC8K6]

In NJ you DO need a Firearms ID Card to buy a Long Gun

Who cares? You incorrectly said this was the case in most states. It isn't.

Here in NC, the handgun purchase permit is really just a 5 dollar fee to comply with the silly federal law.

 

[sourceninja]

TN has fairly relaxed gun laws. As long as the state can't prove anything pre-meditated (like you got the gun because you knew guy X was coming and you planned to kill him) then you are ok.

The motives in this thread sound legit. It seems you fear for your safety because of something you have heard. That is a legit reason to acquire a firearm. If what you fear comes to pass and you defend yourself, well you should be fine.

TN has no requirements of permits, registration, or licensing of firearms. (Except to carry handguns).

I am not a lawyer.

 

[meltdown75]

rofl

 

[sonicdrummer20]

It's harder to deny the premeditated part when you plan your killing in an internet forum.

That's one mistake I won't make twice.

roflmao!

 

[SpatiallyAware]

If some guy is about to fucking kill you I don't think you'll be worrying about legal issues at that point. Besides, you don't need a license to own a shotgun as far as I know, might depend on where you live.

Huge +1

Tennessee? They'll probably pat you on the back. In most states they intruder needs to be IN your home.. In other words, if someone is kicking at your door don't shoot through it - wait until they're inside.


Handguns are treated a bit differently.. But a shotgun should be fine. Borrow it for hunting, and if someone happens to break in... so be it.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Are you required to register long guns in your state? If not it doesn't matter where or how you got the weapon.

 

[slsmnaz]

it's a shotgun so how are they really going to prove it's not yours? I am positive I am the only owner of mine but don't think there's any way I could prove it.

If you really feel weird about it give him a dollar and tell him you're purchasing it from him. He can do the same when you're ready to give it back