Shock and Awe.

[flavio]

Our humanitarian interest in liberating these people Hussein has oppressed will be accomplished by killing, maiming, and destroying all their stuff.

 

[Corn]

Our humanitarian interest in liberating these people Hussein has oppressed will be accomplished by killing, maiming, and destroying all their stuff.

Of course people like you would rather the Iraqi people die slowly of starvation, disease, and torture--and remain oppressed.

 

[KC5AV]

Are you seriously dumb enough, naive enough, or childish enough to think that we should make this a fair fight?

Haha... my daddy never taught me much that was useful, but one thing he did teach me was that there is no such thing as a fair fight. When you go into a fight, you fight hard, you fight dirty, and you fight to win. You don't fight to a draw. You beat the living daylights out of your enemy, because if you don't, he will come back again and again. The only way to stop this is with a decisive victory. Sadly, innocent lives will be lost. That is one of the biggest tragedies of war.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Corn

Our humanitarian interest in liberating these people Hussein has oppressed will be accomplished by killing, maiming, and destroying all their stuff.

Of course people like you would rather the Iraqi people die slowly of starvation, disease, and torture--and remain oppressed.

No, once we bomb the hell out of them, kill tons of them, and blow up all their stuff....I'm assuming all disease, starvation, torture, and oppression will just disappear.

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Corn

Our humanitarian interest in liberating these people Hussein has oppressed will be accomplished by killing, maiming, and destroying all their stuff.

Of course people like you would rather the Iraqi people die slowly of starvation, disease, and torture--and remain oppressed.

No, once we bomb the hell out of them, kill tons of them, and blow up all their stuff....I'm assuming all disease, starvation, torture, and oppression will just disappear.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound? If Saddam is removed and replaced with a government that follows international law, these things will begin to disappear.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: LeRocks

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Corn

Our humanitarian interest in liberating these people Hussein has oppressed will be accomplished by killing, maiming, and destroying all their stuff.

Of course people like you would rather the Iraqi people die slowly of starvation, disease, and torture--and remain oppressed.

No, once we bomb the hell out of them, kill tons of them, and blow up all their stuff....I'm assuming all disease, starvation, torture, and oppression will just disappear.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound? If Saddam is removed and replaced with a government that follows international law, these things will begin to disappear.

I suppose you have something to back that up? Otherwise you're sounding fairly ridiculous.

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: LeRocks

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Corn

Our humanitarian interest in liberating these people Hussein has oppressed will be accomplished by killing, maiming, and destroying all their stuff.

Of course people like you would rather the Iraqi people die slowly of starvation, disease, and torture--and remain oppressed.

No, once we bomb the hell out of them, kill tons of them, and blow up all their stuff....I'm assuming all disease, starvation, torture, and oppression will just disappear.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound? If Saddam is removed and replaced with a government that follows international law, these things will begin to disappear.

I suppose you have something to back that up? Otherwise you're sounding fairly ridiculous.

Is it not self-evident that a government respecting international law would treat its constituents better? I think that it is a given that any government would treat the people better than the current regime.

 

[Corn]

No, once we bomb the hell out of them, kill tons of them, and blow up all their stuff....I'm assuming all disease, starvation, torture, and oppression will just disappear.

As I said previously: Of course people like you would rather the Iraqi people die slowly of starvation, disease, and torture--and remain oppressed.

Most likely its because their skin tone is somewhat darker than yours.

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: Corn

No, once we bomb the hell out of them, kill tons of them, and blow up all their stuff....I'm assuming all disease, starvation, torture, and oppression will just disappear.

As I said previously: Of course people like you would rather the Iraqi people die slowly of starvation, disease, and torture--and remain oppressed.

Most likely its because their skin tone is somewhat darker than yours.

THat was pretty uncalled for.

 

[Corn]

I suppose you have something to back that up? Otherwise you're sounding fairly ridiculous.

3 words for you: Bombing, Afghanistan, famine.

I'll leave it to you to connect the dots. While there is still much that needs to be done in Afghanistan in the way of permanent stability, much has already been accomplished and the millions of people's lives threatened by famine in 2001 have been saved by the generosity of various nations and individuals.

Afghanistan presented a much larger problem to rebuild than Iraq for various reasons: Lack of an educated population and zero infrastructure.

While we will be bombing the crap outta the current Iraqi infrastructure, it's far easier to repair than to completely construct. Iraq also has a reasonable level of literacy and a population able to contribute to it's rebuilding in much more significant ways than the Afghanistan population.

Remember why people are starving in Iraq now, it's not because of famine, but because the world has imposed sanctions against Saddam's regime in an attempt to control his ability to further threaten his neighbors as he did previously. Sanctions will be lifted immediately as soon as he is deposed.

To claim that Iraqi suffering will not be drastically reduced upon the removal of Saddam from power is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Corn]

THat was pretty uncalled for.

Sometimes the truth is ugly. Ask yourself one question: Have you seen demonstrations the world over, as you did last weekend, demanding that Saddam disarm for the sake of his people, or even that Saddam give his people the humanitarian aid that he squanders for his own personal gain?

No?

Why do you think that is?

Because people don't really care about the Iraqi people.

Now why don't they care?

Where were the "just give peace a chance" demonstrations while we were bombing Serbia? Oh, well that was different, it was fine to bomb a european country whose white skinned population was in need of being relieved of their oppressors.........

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Corn


To claim that Iraqi suffering will not be drastically reduced upon the removal of Saddam from power is utterly ridiculous.

I never made that claim. I simply asked someone else to back up their predictions for the future as it all seems like conjecture at this point.

I will claim that their suffering will not be drastically reduced upon the completion of a Shock and Awe bombing.

....And how do you get off accusing me of being racist against dark skinned people?

That just made you look like an idiot when I thought we were having a discussion.

 

[Corn]

....And how do you get off accusing me of being racist against dark skinned people?

I didn't accuse you of being racist, only that people like you (hint; anti-war demonstrators) use the current situation to aid their political sensibilities under the guise of worring about some dark skinned people in a far away land, who don't really care about the suffering and oppression that the Iraqi people face every day because of their ruthless dictator.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Corn

....And how do you get off accusing me of being racist against dark skinned people?

I didn't accuse you of being racist

Yes you did. You said....

Most likely its because their skin tone is somewhat darker than yours.

But you'll change it now to this (hint; I'm not an anti-war demonstrator)...

, only that people like you (hint; anti-war demonstrators) use the current situation to aid their political sensibilities under the guise of worring about some dark skinned people in a far away land, who don't really care about the suffering and oppression that the Iraqi people face every day because of their ruthless dictator.

Which is bullsh!t and I could say the exact same thing about people that are for immediate war with every probability of it being just as accurate.

 

[Corn]

Yes you did. You said....

No, I said:

As I said previously: Of course people like you would rather the Iraqi people die slowly of starvation, disease, and torture--and remain oppressed.

Most likely its because their skin tone is somewhat darker than yours.

Context is everything. Perhaps its your guilty conscience that led you to believe that I had called you, specifically, a racist.

Which is bullsh!t and I could say the exact same thing about people that are for immediate war with every probability of it being just as accurate.

Of course you could, and in some instances you would probably also be correct. The point is that if whitie is suffering and needs to be liberated, the anti-war movement is nowhere to be seen, when darkie is suffering and needs to be liberated, war is something to be avoided.

(hint; I'm not an anti-war demonstrator)...

You might not be out on the streets protesting, but you sure do here.

 

[flavio]

Corn - This misguided picture you have of Bush as the humble humanitarian who's only concerned about liberating the oppressed people of Iraq through Shock and Awe bombings and the evil racist oppressor people who are hesitant to go to war at the moment is just laughable.

 

[Corn]

Corn - This misguided picture you have of Bush as the humble humanitarian who's only concerned about liberating the oppressed people of Iraq through Shock and Awe bombings and the evil racist oppressor people who are hesitant to go to war at the moment is just laughable.

I don't know whatever gave you that idea. Since I didn't mention Bush in a single utterence in this thread, I find your description of my "picutre" of him to be just as laughable.

But let's entertain your own misguided train of thought there:

Lets assume that in liberating the people of Iraq, that we (meaning the US, even perhaps Bush personally) have something to gain. Does that somehow take away the fact that the people in Iraq would be free of Saddam?

Search out my recent posts on this issue and you'll see that I expect Bush to do right by the Iraqi people after Saddam is deposed. Allowing another tyrant to take his place is unacceptable and my criticism in that regard against Bush would be quite harsh.

 

[iwearnosox]

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[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
I know it's a long shot but I'd like to start a grassroots effort to put me in charge. For those that support me, free broadband and year's subscription to maxim are in it for you.

Can your posts get any more mindless? I actually enjoy this discussion.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: LeRocks

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
I know it's a long shot but I'd like to start a grassroots effort to put me in charge. For those that support me, free broadband and year's subscription to maxim are in it for you.

Can your posts get any more mindless? I actually enjoy this discussion.

This forum is "off topic." You have to admit I'm pretty good at "off topic" posts. 🙂