Shock and Awe.

[polm]

I am willing to put the question of SHOULD we go to war with Iraq aside....for it seems a futile point.

The major issue, IMHO, becomes HOW do we do this ?

Here is the US plan....and I must say it SICKENS me ! How dare we slaughter them like this.

"Shock and Awe" from news.google

I wonder if people who are supporting President Bush's war on Iraq are aware of what's in store for the Iraqi people. In keeping with the Powell Doctrine of maximum overkill, the Pentagon has developed a plan of attack called "Shock and Awe." On the first day alone, 300 to 400 Tomahawk cruise missiles would be launched, more than were launched during the entire 40 days of the Gulf War.

 

[AntaresVI]

Nice bias there. Not even worth a read.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: LeRocks
Nice bias there. Not even worth a read.

Where is the bias ?

 

[AntaresVI]

Baghdad is a city of 5 million people, most of whom are innocent of any wrongdoing. If these poor people are going to be subjected to a Hiroshima-like attack with no place to hide, isn't it inevitable that many tens of thousands, or more, will die? If our military planners know of this beforehand, isn't it, in some sense, deliberate?

Surely bombing should be a last resort, not the first.

Plus, i used to live here. That paper is a joke.

edit: and thats only the first 3 links....

 

[Schadenfreude]

Scary and disgusting that we even consider this atrocity. :disgust:

 

[iwearnosox]

It's not like we're out to bomb the civilian population. Yeah, there will be casualties. But If I'm a civilian being bombed I'd prefer it be done with the new precision munitions like the tomahawk.

Think of WWII with all those dumb bombs over london and germany. At least it will never be a repeat of that...

 

[AntaresVI]

Atrocity? I haven't seen a reliable source stating that this will happen, plus, I haven't seen an unbiased source saying that it will actually kill all these civilians.

 

[MemnochtheDevil]

Originally posted by: polm
I am willing to put the question of SHOULD we go to war with Iraq aside....for it seems a futile point.

The major issue, IMHO, becomes HOW do we do this ?

Here is the US plan....and I must say it SICKENS me ! How dare we slaughter them like this.

"Shock and Awe" from news.google

I wonder if people who are supporting President Bush's war on Iraq are aware of what's in store for the Iraqi people. In keeping with the Powell Doctrine of maximum overkill, the Pentagon has developed a plan of attack called "Shock and Awe." On the first day alone, 300 to 400 Tomahawk cruise missiles would be launched, more than were launched during the entire 40 days of the Gulf War.

It's more effective to try and crush the army quickly then allow them to function and fight. Why not use the full power of precision munitions? It's not like we're talking about carpet bombing the cities....

The longer the war goes on the more dead innocents there will be. And the bias is obvious...

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: polm

Originally posted by: LeRocks
Nice bias there. Not even worth a read.

Where is the bias ?

If these poor people are going to be subjected to a Hiroshima-like attack with no place to hide, isn't it inevitable that many tens of thousands, or more, will die? If our military planners know of this beforehand, isn't it, in some sense, deliberate?
How can they dismiss it as "collateral damage?" More to the point, especially since Iraq represents no imminent threat to our own peace and security, how can we permit our political leaders to commit such a cold-blooded massacre in our name?

That there sounds like fighting words.

 

[CPA]

Give me a break! Now we have to be careful on how we attack them. geesh, war is war.

And besides this is one of many, many plans that have been developed over the years. In fact, the Shock and Awe plan was developed in 1996. Who was President in 1996, polm, who???

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: CPA
besides this is one of many, many plans that have been developed over the years.

I personally prefer the one that included that invasion/conquest of Canada 😀

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: CPA
Give me a break! Now we have to be careful on how we attack them. geesh, war is war.

And besides this is one of many, many plans that have been developed over the years. In fact, the Shock and Awe plan was developed in 1996. Who was President in 1996, polm, who???

Clin-ton? 😕

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: CPA
Give me a break! Now we have to be careful on how we attack them. geesh, war is war.

And besides this is one of many, many plans that have been developed over the years. In fact, the Shock and Awe plan was developed in 1996. Who was President in 1996, polm, who???

Clin-ton? 😕

are you polm? 🙂

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: LeRocks

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: CPA
Give me a break! Now we have to be careful on how we attack them. geesh, war is war.

And besides this is one of many, many plans that have been developed over the years. In fact, the Shock and Awe plan was developed in 1996. Who was President in 1996, polm, who???

Clin-ton? 😕

are you polm? 🙂

*checks self* No. But it seemed like a fairly self-evident question.

 

[iwearnosox]

What's your source that Iraq "represents no imminent threat to our own peace and security."

I suspect there's something driving this whole thing that they cannot divulge, ostensibly some nefarious covert WMD stuff.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: LeRocks

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: CPA
Give me a break! Now we have to be careful on how we attack them. geesh, war is war.

And besides this is one of many, many plans that have been developed over the years. In fact, the Shock and Awe plan was developed in 1996. Who was President in 1996, polm, who???

Clin-ton? 😕

are you polm? 🙂

*checks self* No. But it seemed like a fairly self-evident question.

You're right, it is self-evident, at least to most of us. I doubt it for polm, though.

Remember the shock and angst a month or so ago when it was made apparent that we have a nuclear strike plan, also. Egads, polm, that must mean Bush is going to press the button.

polm, I think you would be amazed at the sheer volume of plans, starting with the most simplistic to the most intricate, that the US and UK have with regards to war. So give the theatrics a break, will ya! I can't believe that you would even be surprised that this scenario would exist.

 

[Pastfinder]

Ever Hear of Dresden? Hamburg? Tokyo? Read your history, this is nothing new in war, at least these weapons are somewhat guided...

 

[polm]

look I am NOT arguing our reasons for going to war.

I am simply stating that DROPPING 400 Bombs in Bagdad on day 1 ALONE, is a slaughter!! I am not going to support a war that happens like this.

At some point we have to draw the line as to how we conduct our military operations.

 

[exp]

I wonder if people who are supporting President Bush's war on Iraq are aware of what's in store for the Iraqi people. In keeping with the Powell Doctrine of maximum overkill, the Pentagon has developed a plan of attack called "Shock and Awe." On the first day alone, 300 to 400 Tomahawk cruise missiles would be launched, more than were launched during the entire 40 days of the Gulf War.

*yawn* This is Intro to Standard Pre-War Intimidation 101...you always talk down your opponent (i.e. "Here's a list of the bad things I'm going to do to you") before a conflict.

You can relax, polm. The U.S. is *not* going to pound Baghdad into dust...if only because (i) it would be unnecessary, and (ii) the advantages gained thereby would not outweigh the resulting PR hit.

 

[polm]

BTW...i never liked Clinton.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: exp

I wonder if people who are supporting President Bush's war on Iraq are aware of what's in store for the Iraqi people. In keeping with the Powell Doctrine of maximum overkill, the Pentagon has developed a plan of attack called "Shock and Awe." On the first day alone, 300 to 400 Tomahawk cruise missiles would be launched, more than were launched during the entire 40 days of the Gulf War.

*yawn* This is Intro to Standard Pre-War Intimidation 101...you always talk down your opponent (i.e. "Here's a list of the bad things I'm going to do to you") before a conflict.

You can relax, polm. The U.S. is *not* going to pound Baghdad into dust...if only because (i) it would be unnecessary, and (ii) the advantages gained thereby would not outweigh the resulting PR hit.

I hope and pray you are right.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: polm
look I am NOT arguing our reasons for going to war.

I am simply stating that DROPPING 400 Bombs in Bagdad on day 1 ALONE, is a slaughter!! I am not going to support a war that happens like this.

At some point we have to draw the line as to how we conduct our military operations.

Whatever will they do without your support?

The point is to immobilize their military infrastructure with such overwhelming power that the military surrenders ands revolts on Saddam. The quicker it is the more effective it becomes.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: polm
look I am NOT arguing our reasons for going to war.

I am simply stating that DROPPING 400 Bombs in Bagdad on day 1 ALONE, is a slaughter!! I am not going to support a war that happens like this.

At some point we have to draw the line as to how we conduct our military operations.

Soooo...head on over to Baghdad as part of the human shield and let your concerns be known.

 

[iwearnosox]

If the U.S. were war mongers we'd of just gone up there in '91 and made vacation homes, there was nothing to stop us.

This one's going to be fast and accurate, more so than any other war in history. We will, however, not get sucked into street fighting in Baghdad. We'll just dessimate their military related targets, surround the city and wait for it to come to us.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: CPA

polm, I think you would be amazed at the sheer volume of plans, starting with the most simplistic to the most intricate, that the US and UK have with regards to war.

and every other army with a general staff worth its salt. they make plans, so that when commanders are confronted with a situation they don't have to make everything up on the spot. some people don't seem to understand that