shelby spy shots & 2014 Mustang Rumors

[DaTT]

I don't know which GTP you are referring to, but I owned a 2004 Grand Prix GTP (series III 3800/eaton SC) a few years ago, and that had no SC whine at idle. If it does, it either isn't stock, or isn't running right. You really had to lay into it before the SC whine became prominent.

I have a Series II 3800, and mine is the same as yours. There is no whine, I can't even hear it at full boost.

 

[Zivic]

That is because you drive a shitbox that does not make enough HP to even turn a supercharger so you are stuck with a turbo.

really? that's why people with Ford GT's remove the supercharger in favor of turbos to make 'big' power... and then the twin turbo'd vipers, lambos, etc.

sure, talk smack about my cars. both of my fun cars make 500+ whp. and one of those shitboxes does it from a 2.0 4-banger. let's see some dyno charts of your cars

 

[ElFenix]

get up to peak HP quickly and hold till redline vs what most superchargers offer.... linear

so... a falling torque curve? :hmm:

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

The V6 is the best seller. Without it, they probably could not sell the Mustang at all...

The Camaro is still killing the Mustang in sales, I think.

It's hardly "killing" the Mustang.
Also, a lot of "sales" numbers don't actually indicate number of vehicles sold to customers like you are I. A lot of those sales numbers are dealerships purchasing the cars, as they do purchase them from the MFGer through various means.
Go look at dealership lots. The Ford lots don't have a lot of Mustangs on them, the 2 Chevy dealerships I drive by every day have tons of Camaros on the lots. The same ones they've had for months.

Drive around your city and count the cars. Around here it's about 4 2010-up mustangs for every Camaro I see.

 

[JCH13]

That is because you drive a shitbox that does not make enough HP to even turn a supercharger so you are stuck with a turbo.

Don't sound bitter and crotchety or anything

FWIW I've seen 600cc engines successfully implement superchargers.

 

[Tristicus]

It's hardly "killing" the Mustang.
Also, a lot of "sales" numbers don't actually indicate number of vehicles sold to customers like you are I. A lot of those sales numbers are dealerships purchasing the cars, as they do purchase them from the MFGer through various means.
Go look at dealership lots. The Ford lots don't have a lot of Mustangs on them, the 2 Chevy dealerships I drive by every day have tons of Camaros on the lots. The same ones they've had for months.

Drive around your city and count the cars. Around here it's about 4 2010-up mustangs for every Camaro I see.

Opposite here.

 

[DaTT]

really? that's why people with Ford GT's remove the supercharger in favor of turbos to make 'big' power... and then the twin turbo'd vipers, lambos, etc.

sure, talk smack about my cars. both of my fun cars make 500+ whp. and one of those shitboxes does it from a 2.0 4-banger. let's see some dyno charts of your cars

500hp 4 cylinder engines just won't last. Not knocking your choice in cars or engines, just sayin.

 

[EightySix Four]

500hp 4 cylinder engines just won't last. Not knocking your choice in cars or engines, just sayin.

Built right and they will last just fine.

 

[exdeath]

500hp 4 cylinder engines just won't last. Not knocking your choice in cars or engines, just sayin.

So you rebuild at 100k instead of 150k, big deal.

 

[Zap]

It's hardly "killing" the Mustang.

This gives some numbers and mentions that the new convertible Camaro was responsible for a healthy sales boost this year.

January - May 2011 sales of pony cars
16,777 Challengers
40,275 Camaros
30,206 Mustangs

The Camaro ragtop has been a hot commodity since sales began earlier this spring.

 

[Zivic]

500hp 4 cylinder engines just won't last. Not knocking your choice in cars or engines, just sayin.

For street use i don't see why it won't go 100k miles. That's a lot of miles when i put 6-7k miles on it a year. Rebuilds are not that much money or effort so not a big deal if it does blow

 

[Kadarin]

The whine is belt noise. Unless you take the gilmer belt off the drive pully, it's going to whine. Now, the whine will get louder when the recirculation valve closes and it's making boost, and with good sound insulation I suppose they could cover up most of the off-boost whine, but I've yet to hear a supercharged car that didn't make at least some tell-tale whine at idle.

ZV

To clarify: There is no gilmer belt on the 2012 GT500, and there is ZERO perceptible whine at idle or under light load (lots of great exhaust noise, though). There is definite supercharger whine when you start to really get on the throttle, however.

 

[Howard]

so... a falling torque curve? :hmm:

Don't be disillogical, now.

 

[exdeath]

To clarify: There is no gilmer belt on the 2012 GT500, and there is ZERO perceptible whine at idle or under light load (lots of great exhaust noise, though). There is definite supercharger whine when you start to really get on the throttle, however.

Its hard to hear anything under the hood over the 267 idler pullies :awe:

 

[LTC8K6]

It's hardly "killing" the Mustang.
Also, a lot of "sales" numbers don't actually indicate number of vehicles sold to customers like you are I. A lot of those sales numbers are dealerships purchasing the cars, as they do purchase them from the MFGer through various means.
Go look at dealership lots. The Ford lots don't have a lot of Mustangs on them, the 2 Chevy dealerships I drive by every day have tons of Camaros on the lots. The same ones they've had for months.

Drive around your city and count the cars. Around here it's about 4 2010-up mustangs for every Camaro I see.

I could see it being dealers or number games with a 5 or 10% lead, but the Camaro has something like 30% more sales than the Mustang for the year.

It was 9,451 to 6,607 in May alone. That's getting close to 50% more for the Chevy.

 

[KentState]

I could see it being dealers or number games with a 5 or 10% lead, but the Camaro has something like 30% more sales than the Mustang for the year.

It was 9,451 to 6,607 in May alone. That's getting close to 50% more for the Chevy.

Make sense. When the Camaro was the better car, it was outsold by the Mustang and now the tables have turned. The Camaro is still "new" compared to the Mustang. Yes, we understand that it has new engines and suspension, but to the average consumer, it's the same retro design that's been around for 6 years now.

 

[KentState]

To clarify: There is no gilmer belt on the 2012 GT500, and there is ZERO perceptible whine at idle or under light load (lots of great exhaust noise, though). There is definite supercharger whine when you start to really get on the throttle, however.

I know my engine is not the same as yours, but I took all the shrouding off and I still can't hear any whine from mine. Also no gilmer belt here. Only if I get into, can you hear it.

 

[Howard]

Also no gilmer belt here.

I wish that term would fall out of use.

 

[DaTT]

For street use i don't see why it won't go 100k miles. That's a lot of miles when i put 6-7k miles on it a year. Rebuilds are not that much money or effort so not a big deal if it does blow

Take a 500hp V8 and a 500HP I4, boxer, whatever, to the track and run all day. One of them is getting towed home.

 

[exdeath]

Take a 500hp V8 and a 500HP I4, boxer, whatever, to the track and run all day. One of them is getting towed home.

It should be a 1000+ HP V8 vs a 500 HP I4 if you want all things being equal.

Of course a heavily modified car is going to have more chance for failure than a virtually stock one.

 

[DaTT]

It should be a 1000+ HP V8 vs a 500 HP I4 if you want all things being equal.

Of course a heavily modified car is going to have more chance for failure than a virtually stock one.

Nah. Point being....well, there really wasn't a point to my post.

Carry on.

 

[Monster_Munch]

Apparently this will be the first Mustang sold in the UK with right hand drive. It will be smaller and lighter than the current model, with independent rear suspension. Sounds pretty sweet.

 

[DaTT]

Apparently this will be the first Mustang sold in the UK with right hand drive. It will be smaller and lighter than the current model, with independent rear suspension. Sounds pretty sweet.

So basically we are looking at an artists conception of what the prototype for 2014 might look like?

 

[Monster_Munch]

So basically we are looking at an artists conception of what the prototype for 2014 might look like?

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/268678/new_ford_mustang_set_for_world_debut.html

I got it from here. It's not clear if it's an artists conception or an official ford illustration.

 

[darkswordsman17]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/268678/new_ford_mustang_set_for_world_debut.html

I got it from here. It's not clear if it's an artists conception or an official ford illustration.

Looks like an artist illustration, taking heavy cues from that Italdesign Mustang concept from a few years ago.

Personally, I have no problem with a turbo 4, and the only reason I hated the older V6 Camaro and Mustang was that those were not very good engines. Now they're considerably better. As long as its a good engine, I say the more options the better.

I hate supercharger whine, especially on a big V8 (if its very pronounced like in the video posted). Its like the War of the Worlds remake with the girl constantly screaming over low frequency sounds.

I'm also baffled at the person saying superchargers sound better than turbos, as you rarely can hear turbos over the exhaust noise (then again, maybe that's their point, they want to hear that whining?).

I have to say I love what I'm reading. The Corvette and now this, sounds great to me personally.