Shaun King: 25 practical steps / solutions to the police brutality issue

[WelshBloke]

Watch as property/cash seizures go up the more they become cash strapped, slippery slope indeed.

No monies seized by the police should become the property of the police.

 

[K1052]

Chicago is a prime example of this policy in action:

Chicago's murder rate soars 72% in 2016; shootings up more than 88%

(article is from April, current total murders up 70%, shootings up 44%)



Reducing policing in "Communities of color" only gets more blacks killed.

FWIW, this year cops have killed 793 people nationwide:

Blacks killed by cops: 194 of 793
Whites killed by cops: 388 of 793

Total murders in Chicago alone so far this year: 545 (415 black victims)

What a tool that Shaun King fraud is, trying to get more blacks killed.

The issues in Chicago are a lot more complex than anybody not from here wants to admit or has actual knowledge of. The police force for many decades had acted as almost a de facto gang of it's own. Even when they murdered somebody the odds that anybody would be held accountable were basically nonexistent. While this did counterbalance, so some extent, non-police criminal activity I'm not sure this is how we want the police functioning in the first place. The ACLU settlement combined with the accelerating exposure of this conduct through video technology makes that approach no longer possible as well.

More police probably isn't the answer to the murder problem, though it may help suppress other crime. Decriminalized drugs, more jobs, programs to get kids out of the cycle of violence, more education, and deconcentrating poverty are looking like better bets.

 

[KMFJD]

No monies seized by the police should become the property of the police.

Some states seem to be good at this and others aren't

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States

 

[AnonymouseUser]

I'm not sure this is how we want the police functioning in the first place.

Of course not.

Decriminalized drugs

Agreed, with limitations. Possession of small amounts definitely should not be a crime.

more jobs

Not gonna happen with the illegal immigrant/"refugee" resettlement/H-1B programs.

programs to get kids out of the cycle of violence, more education

The kids still need to participate. Good luck with that.

and deconcentrating poverty are looking like better bets

This country is currently concentrating poverty everywhere. Poverty is the new middle-class.

 

[FIVR]

Why would anybody apply to work as a police officer with those kind of rules? So you are now trained for more than even a cosmetologist and you have to get a 4 year degree? Then you have to wear a camera all day interacting with every moron on the street as you walk your beat... sounds like a miserable job for 76k average pay (I quoted average LAPD police officer) and that's on the high side of what they get payed. Then you remove their authority by threatening to prosecute them if they defend themselves from the "threats" they encounter on their beat?

Part of being a police officer is being subject to the extremely dangerous streets of America and as such they are afforded special privileges, including immunity from certain specious 'crimes' that normal citizens might be prosecuted for. Normal citizens don't risk their lives injecting themselves where they aren't wanted into the lives of random strangers. Normal citizens don't make a new enemy every week. So they get perks, they aren't going to be treated like some pleb who doesn't sacrifice so much.


It should be noted that it's not inherently the case that the individual cops who are racist, often they are... but often they aren't. Some cops are literally just brainwashed goons operating within the only system they know, and I would argue that all of them have less responsibility than you would think.
It's the system as a whole that is racist. You can't blame the cops for hating blacks or muslims or whatever because as it is the system as a whole that deems blacks and other minorities to be unworthy of legal protection, then it is the system itself that actually hates minorities. The cops operate within the justice system and they play the physical part of the racist US Gov. ; They beat and kill them. The Judges are the arbitrary part of the racist US Gov; they sentence them to terms in prison or death... and the correctional system is the real "fix" and final solution to the problem of undesirable minorities that the US gov has up until today maintained. There is a pipeline in place to send these kids from the cradle right into the prison cell. Some of them barely make it to middle school before they are in prison.


So basically, police brutality is just something we're all going to learn to live with to afford our affluent society.

 

[Ackmed]

First off, King is a fraud and a liar. Also, several of his suggestions are already in place, or already brought up by someone else. Others are flat out wrong, severally ignorant, hypocritical, and impractical. As I said, some are already in place and great ideas.

Focusing on just a few of his "points";

SOLUTION #1: Radically diversify America's Police Departments

I am assuming he means hiring more black officers. If so, there is an issue with another of his "points";

SOLUTION #5: Police must be required to earn 4 year degrees - it changes everything

From governing.com, overall high school graduation rate of the US is 80 % as of 2011-12 years. 69% for black, and 86% for white. From ncses.ed.gov only 69% of college students graduate attempting a bachelors degree. 42% of blacks graduate. So I don't feel like doing the math, 69% of blacks graduate high school (or there abouts) then 42% of those graduate college with a bachelors. Yet he wants to make 4 year college mandatory all the while "Radically diversifying". Of course these numbers change from state to state and school to school, these are overall numbers. There is a huge problem with that. How is this going to happen with his suggestion that all cops should have a 4 year degree? It can't. The best people should be hired, period. If a location has more black people, and more blacks apply who are qualified then white people, then hire more black. Same thing if reversed. There are several states with an extremely low percentage of blacks, forcing them to keep up with some percentage pulled out of a hat is silly, same for everywhere else.

SOLUTION #8: Take women from 12% of police to 50% of police - they are more professional, less brutal, and just as effective

Ignorant and impractical. Women certainly can do the job, and have a much lower percentage than males who have complaints and are in lawsuits. About 40% of police calls are domestics and women can be a valuable asset to have on those, instead of a female talking to a guy, perhaps she'd feel more comfortable talking to a female. That's not to say that departments should bypass a male who is more qualified to higher a female who is less qualified. It's even more silly when you consider that females have a much lower application percentage to be a police officer. Males make up the vast majority of applicants, so King wants departments to higher less qualified people based on their sex? Denying higher qualified people because they're male? Under the Civil Rights Equal Opportunity of 1964 that seems illegal.

Under the laws enforced by EEOC, it is illegal to discriminate against someone (applicant or employee) because of that person's race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.

Yet this is what he wants, to hire someone instead of another based on their race or sex to make up a certain percentage of total police force. The best person hired should be hired, no matter what they are. All his suggestions are based on the opinion that blacks are killed more unjustly by cops not on actual facts. Even if it was true, there is a serious conflict with some of his suggestion. That he was not the first to think of.

 

[Maxima1]

More police probably isn't the answer to the murder problem, though it may help suppress other crime. Decriminalized drugs, more jobs, programs to get kids out of the cycle of violence, more education, and deconcentrating poverty are looking like better bets.

More education? As in? We spend the same amount on education per pupil regardless of race. As is, the marginal productivity of a teacher approaches zero at a certain compensation point.

It's the system as a whole that is racist. You can't blame the cops for hating blacks or muslims or whatever because as it is the system as a whole that deems blacks and other minorities to be unworthy of legal protection, then it is the system itself that actually hates minorities. The cops operate within the justice system and they play the physical part of the racist US Gov. ; They beat and kill them. The Judges are the arbitrary part of the racist US Gov; they sentence them to terms in prison or death... and the correctional system is the real "fix" and final solution to the problem of undesirable minorities that the US gov has up until today maintained. There is a pipeline in place to send these kids from the cradle right into the prison cell. Some of them barely make it to middle school before they are in prison.

WTF are you going on about? The same system allows blacks easier access to federal jobs. The same system applies civil rights processes if a violation occurs, etc. Is the system sexist against men? Because they are more likely to get stiffer sentencing by a wide margin. The gap is bigger than the racial gap, The disparity between what is mainly white and black men is then just a function of how violent in aggregate the group is.

 

[KMFJD]

More education? As in? We spend the same amount on education per pupil regardless of race. As is, the marginal productivity of a teacher approaches zero at a certain compensation point.



WTF are you going on about? The same system allows blacks easier access to federal jobs. The same system applies civil rights processes if a violation occurs, etc. Is the system sexist against men? Because they are more likely to get stiffer sentencing by a wide margin. The gap is bigger than the racial gap, The disparity between what is mainly white and black men is then just a function of how violent in aggregate the group is.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...c-school-funding-and-the-role-of-race/408085/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/business/a-rich-childs-edge-in-public-education.html
http://harvardpolitics.com/special_features/school-funding.html
http://www.topmastersineducation.com/school-funding-post-racial-us/

-The National Center for Education Statistics found that nearly half of states spend more per pupil in affluent school districts than they do in poorer ones, although some federal policies try to narrow this gap.

-The United States is one of few advanced nations where schools serving better-off children usually have more educational resources than those serving poor students, according to research by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

- The bottom line is that the vast majority of O.E.C.D. countries either invest equally into every student or disproportionately more into disadvantaged students. The U.S. is one of the few countries doing the opposite.”

 

[Maxima1]

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...c-school-funding-and-the-role-of-race/408085/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/business/a-rich-childs-edge-in-public-education.html
http://harvardpolitics.com/special_features/school-funding.html
http://www.topmastersineducation.com/school-funding-post-racial-us/

-The National Center for Education Statistics found that nearly half of states spend more per pupil in affluent school districts than they do in poorer ones, although some federal policies try to narrow this gap.

-The United States is one of few advanced nations where schools serving better-off children usually have more educational resources than those serving poor students, according to research by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

- The bottom line is that the vast majority of O.E.C.D. countries either invest equally into every student or disproportionately more into disadvantaged students. The U.S. is one of the few countries doing the opposite.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/state-and-local-school-fi_n_1898225.html

"Last month, another Center for American progress report determined schools that enroll 90 percent or more non-white students spend $733 less per pupil per year than schools that enroll 90 percent or more white students. These “racially isolated” schools make up one-third of the country’s schools."

A ~$700 deficit is nothing when you consider the average expenditure per pupil in the US is over $10000. Chicago teachers are among the highest paid in the country. Add in pension/bennies, less work hours each year, and they are easily in the six figures. The median income in the US is only about $30000. Obviously increased spending isn't going to solve ****.

The voucher program studies are also evidence against it. Schools are largely just averages of the kids in them. Bad kids yield bad averages. Why do you think private schools select who gets in? Because they know they can't change the students. In addition, the private schools run counter to your spending argument. Private school teachers are compensated significantly less, for example.

The bottom line is that the vast majority of O.E.C.D. countries either invest equally into every student or disproportionately more into disadvantaged students. The U.S. is one of the few countries doing the opposite

That's a good one. Many OECD countries spend far less per student, and get much better results. * Just a note, the US does fine. It's the minorities (blacks, Hispanics) that push down our standing.

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