Sharing folder between XP Pro and XP Home

DeadSeaSquirrels

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I know most people think this has been beaten like a dead horse. But god I can't get this to work, I've gotten other shares to work. Here's the skinny, I even ran the stupid windows network share wizard, so now I'm sharing these default windows share folders, that is able to be seen by my Home Edition PC. I try to share a folder, I right-click, then click on sharing and security, click "Share this Folder", define a share name, click on permissions, set permissions to Everyone everything, and Guests to everything. I go back to my Home Edition PC and I do a search for shared folders in the workgroup, I SEE the folder, but when I click on it it says permission denied. For the love of God, doesn't everyone mean everyone. Does anybody have any idea what I am doing wrong?

From the Home Edition PC I can get to the shared folders created by microsoft, and I can also SEE the shared folder from my XP Pro PC, but I don't have the right permissions. The Home Edition PC is trying to get to the folder as a user XYZ, and XYZ is not a user on my XP Pro PC, but that shouldn't be a problem right? I mean the microsoft share works. Please help.
 

MadRat

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You have different security groups that you can enable. Make sure you have the READ checkbox clicked. Everyone should enable the network users group to see the folders.

You can link to the machine in a few ways:

\\IP Address\share
\\Computername\share

In order to see the other machine by name you have to go into services and turn on the Computer Browser service. In order to complete network transfers of information you need the Remote Access Connection Manager service. I'm not sure if you need Workstation enabled, but enable that, too. Double check the services and then try to create the link this way in your Explorer window and see if the file permissions problem persists.

 

porcorosso

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It sounds as though simple file sharing is turned off on your Windows XP Pro box. If you want to get this to work as simply as possible (using the two operating systems - home and pro - the way MS designed them to work together) you'll probably want to turn on simple file sharing on that system. The Guest accounts also have to be enabled (but NOT turned on) in order to enable simple file sharing to work. When you enable sharing with simple file sharing turned on you won't be able to get to any of those permissions dialogs (other than to put a checkmark in the box which pertains to allowing network users to alter the files in the share).

Because of the direct manipulation of permissions you have done on the pro box it's possible you may encounter some problems reverting to this "normal" style of operation. You may want to unshare everything in an attempt to reset everything and then go through a step-by-step to re-enable sharing between the machines. There are too many steps involved to just count on a guess-and-try approach online.

BTW, it seems as though a lot of people have very bad luck trying to use the MS networking wizard. I have used it a couple of times and found it to be somewhat misleading, or at least, perhaps, very MS-centric.

There are, of course, ways of getting a pro box to share with a home box without using simple file sharing on the pro side. (You have no choice on home.) But I can't imagine why anyone would bother on a home network. Maybe I just lack imagination.

;)
 

porcorosso

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Sorry for the double post. This is the first time I've seen a double post (from my end) that came about in such a peculiar way. I was going to try to tell how it happened, but it made my brain hurt, and it would be off topic anyway.

:D
 

spikespiegal

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Actually he's better off turning Simple File Sharing *off* on both boxes, and doing it the right way, and also learning something in the process.

 

porcorosso

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No, I don't think so. Simple file sharing is the only supported option in WinXP Home.

IMO it's best (usually) to just use these systems the way they were designed to be used -- unless security practices dictate otherwise.
 

DeadSeaSquirrels

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I actually had simple file shared turned on at one point. And I couldn't get files to be shared with the XP Home. Though when XP Home was sharing a folder I could see it from XP Pro. That's when I started getting really frustrated.
 

porcorosso

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I think many problems are caused by the confusion Microsoft has introduced into the home network environment by supporting two very different methods of handling sharing and permissions. Because so many acquaintances know me as a "computer guy" (I'm not, really, but that's how they see me -- perhaps because we have 8 systems on a network at the house.) and because I'm a pushover I have set up at least a couple dozen WinXP home networks over the past couple of years. The most serious troubles I've faced in establishing file sharing have come from people who are used to the regular domain or workgroup methods of setting up file sharing having worked on those networks before I got there.

Apparently, MS figured that life would be easier for home networkers if they provided this alternative means (using the Guest account as a template for accomplishing the sharing). Perhaps, if MS had been more explicit / precise and had provided some warnings about not trying to mix methodologies they could have avoided a lot of the trouble so many of us have had with this. The problem is, I think, that they just assume that anyone who uses these tools is totally clueless about networking. You almost are better off if that's the case.

It's made all that much worse by the fact that, even if you do set up a small home network "properly" using simple file sharing it seems, many times, to take a number of minutes for all of the WinXP boxes to pull their heads out of their butts and see each other. I've seen people take this initial recalcitrance as a failure and start fiddling with configurations. That, of course, almost always leads to a real failure.

I don't know what to tell you about your situation. As you well know there are a LOT of little issues which can defeat you in a case like this. Just one little setting out of kilter results in no soap. Trying to rectify a botched setup by changing one thing at a time and testing can be a very painful experience. My best advice, as I mentioned before, is to attempt to take these boxes back to non-networked / non-sharing configuration. That's not always really easy to do. I wish to dickens that MS would provide a "reset-to-square-one" button for the networking / file sharing configuration. Once you get there, go with simple file sharing all the way and follow a step-by-step like the one at ezlan.net.

If you can't get sharing over TCP/IP to work you could try that guy's instructions for using NetBEUI. It really does work marvelously well, and I set that up for the totally clueless whom I'm afraid will get themselves in serious trouble if I set up sharing over a routable protocol for them. It's really a viable security precaution for sharing on a small network -- if you don't have to share with non-Windows boxes. You're obviously not clueless, but you are frustrated. NetBEUI would beat frustration. ;)

Of course, if I couldn't get sharing to work over TCP/IP it would drive me nuts -- just because. I'd take the danged boxes down to bare metal and start over, if I had to, in order to get them to "work right". But I've never really had to go that far. I think that, if you can make sure that permissions and security settings are set back to the default and start from there with the step-by-step it should work -- unless some part of one or more of the systems got munged along the way.

Sorry to be so long-winded while actually saying so little. I'll keep a pair of fingers crossed for you.