Sharia law in Britain unavoidable?!?!

[Braznor]

The adoption of some aspects of Islamic sharia law in Britain "seems unavoidable", the Archbishop of Canterbury has claimed in an interview with the BBC.

Is sharia law in Britain "unavoidable"?

Archbishop defends his comments.


Ahhhh. the inevitable march of minority appeasement. The West is now digging its own grave.

As I said before, we deserve the hell that awaits us at the end of our history. The hell we built for with the bricks of cowardice around ourselves.

 

[Colt45]

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If this does happen, I'll be moving to russia, where they have no qualms about crushing change.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Colt45
R

If this does happen, I'll be moving to russia, where they have no qualms about crushing change.

I'm gonna join The Church of England and give them my support, no way in hell I'm going to hell

 

[MadRat]

repost: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=52&threadid=2151789

Look for U.N.B.E.L.I.E.V.A.B.L.E

 

[heyheybooboo]

You guys need someone well above my intelligence-grade to explain this to you ... but to the knee-jerks, hysteria and nonsense ...

Common Law has been practiced 900 years in the UK. It is the legal bedrock of western civilization.

Common law is based upon consistency and legal precedent. The same body of law applies equally to everyone.

Where elements of common law intersect with tenets of Sharia there is no reason why the two should not be viewed as consistent, appropriate and equal.

This discussion reeks of bigotry and ignorance.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo


Where elements of common law intersect with tenets of Sharia there is no reason why the two should not be viewed as consistent, appropriate and equal.

What when they don't?

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off. So uh, this is going to happen in Britain?

Does the West have to sink as low as the Middleast and other Islamic countries?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off. So uh, this is going to happen in Britain?

Does the West have to sink as low as the Middleast and other Islamic countries?

And your problem with this is what? In Saudi Arabia you can leave your wallet in the street and come back and get it the next day. Almost nobody ever loses a hand. And this law completely eliminates the need for prisons, where we in the West train our criminals and buff them up. This is much better than we used to do to people who steal horses. You can kill the poor when you steal from them.

This law makes perfect sense to cultures that are communally governed and not highly organized into states. God said thou shalt not steal and he meant it.

To steal in the West just means my prison stocks go up and I get a cut on your take. My auto stocks go up when the cops buy cars to use as bate. We love our crime here in the West because so many people make money.

It's the so called superior West that is truly filled with crime and savages, no?

 

[Noobtastic]

I'll be Dark Thinker:

YOU ARE AN INTOLERANT BIGOT ZEALOT XENOPHOBE

*fap*fap*fap*fap*

Yeah Netherlands and Sweden has it worse. They're very giving social services have resulted in many muslim refugees to request passage. The problem is, these people refuse to assimilate, and rather bury themselves in secluded communities where radical ideals and customs almost always evolve.


I read a story in the Netherlands about how a bakery was shut down by the new neighbors because it's prized dessert was a type of croissant, which for those who are unaware is a common symbol of Islam.

I wait for the future when I can say, "I TOLD YOU SO!"

Oh how satisfying that will be.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off. So uh, this is going to happen in Britain?

Does the West have to sink as low as the Middleast and other Islamic countries?

And your problem with this is what? In Saudi Arabia you can leave your wallet in the street and come back and get it the next day. Almost nobody ever loses a hand. And this law completely eliminates the need for prisons, where we in the West train our criminals and buff them up. This is much better than we used to do to people who steal horses. You can kill the poor when you steal from them.

This law makes perfect sense to cultures that are communally governed and not highly organized into states. God said thou shalt not steal and he meant it.

To steal in the West just means my prison stocks go up and I get a cut on your take. My auto stocks go up when the cops buy cars to use as bate. We love our crime here in the West because so many people make money.

It's the so called superior West that is truly filled with crime and savages, no?

LOL. are you for real? Do you seriously think the Saudi system is better than the one you live under in?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off. So uh, this is going to happen in Britain?

Does the West have to sink as low as the Middleast and other Islamic countries?

And your problem with this is what? In Saudi Arabia you can leave your wallet in the street and come back and get it the next day. Almost nobody ever loses a hand. And this law completely eliminates the need for prisons, where we in the West train our criminals and buff them up. This is much better than we used to do to people who steal horses. You can kill the poor when you steal from them.

This law makes perfect sense to cultures that are communally governed and not highly organized into states. God said thou shalt not steal and he meant it.

To steal in the West just means my prison stocks go up and I get a cut on your take. My auto stocks go up when the cops buy cars to use as bate. We love our crime here in the West because so many people make money.

It's the so called superior West that is truly filled with crime and savages, no?

LOL. are you for real? Do you seriously think the Saudi system is better than the one you live under in?

It's less important whether he believes it that that you answer the arguments he made.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off. So uh, this is going to happen in Britain?

Does the West have to sink as low as the Middleast and other Islamic countries?

And your problem with this is what? In Saudi Arabia you can leave your wallet in the street and come back and get it the next day. Almost nobody ever loses a hand. And this law completely eliminates the need for prisons, where we in the West train our criminals and buff them up. This is much better than we used to do to people who steal horses. You can kill the poor when you steal from them.

This law makes perfect sense to cultures that are communally governed and not highly organized into states. God said thou shalt not steal and he meant it.

To steal in the West just means my prison stocks go up and I get a cut on your take. My auto stocks go up when the cops buy cars to use as bate. We love our crime here in the West because so many people make money.

It's the so called superior West that is truly filled with crime and savages, no?

LOL. are you for real? Do you seriously think the Saudi system is better than the one you live under in?

It's less important whether he believes it that that you answer the arguments he made.

His arguments are naive. He assumes only stone walls make a prison. Nope, the greatest prisons are made of mental conditioning. The Saudi environment is exactly that. Fear is a great conditioner. Fear of punishment, fear of god, fear of sin, fear of the men from the committee for the promotion of vice and virtue all work to enforce compliance into these men. That's not a way to live, people deserve better, as much as Moonie thinks he is entitled to. The Saudis received a lot of money for oil, obviously these resources didn't end up benefiting the people of the region and that brings me to the second point.

His argument linking prison stocks, morality and profit once again borders on the ridiculous. The Saudi system managed to divert the resources they gained (from selling oil) from the general people to instead a small group of parasitical elites. Their barriers of mental conditioning prevents them from questioning their rulers, their clergy and basically anything at all.The institutions of the civilized world like free speech, organized free market would limit such a situation from happening in a democracy. But in fear governed states like Saudi, such institutions don't exist. There is truth in the ancient saying : Stone walls do not a prison make.

So ultimately it boils down to this: Which prison is more preferable for you? One made of mere walls or one made with the demons fanning the embers of fear in our minds.?

 

[heyheybooboo]

Some days it just doesn't pay to login

A few of you chaps are having trouble distinguishing between civil and criminal law.

As I have said, when elements of common law intersect with tenets of Sharia there is no reason why the two should not be viewed as equal. And in areas where they are polar opposites they will never join in a Western court. This most certainly applies in criminal law. Any judge who says "Off with his hand!"" will be immediately enjoined, spanked on appeal, investigated and most likely removed, don't yah think?

Civil law is an entirely different matter altogether. In a common law court in the West, no one will be able to circumvent precedence to stone their ex-wife. (mmm...lemme think about that for a second .....)

Where I live as part of the civil process, prior to trial you are required to engage in arbitration.

NOW, if two parties in a civil matter AGREE in binding abitration that their dispute should be settled in accordance with Sharia law, WHY DO YOU CARE?

The Kool-Aid and tin foil on this one is off the charts with this slippery-slope bs.

Where is a damn lawyer when you need one ???

PS - How any of you crackheads considered there may be an element or two of Sharia that is superior to common law that actually protects an individual from an unjust action ??

(I cite the Goat Law of 1836 in the action of Omar v. Ottoman Empire ...)

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off. So uh, this is going to happen in Britain?

Does the West have to sink as low as the Middleast and other Islamic countries?

And your problem with this is what? In Saudi Arabia you can leave your wallet in the street and come back and get it the next day. Almost nobody ever loses a hand. And this law completely eliminates the need for prisons, where we in the West train our criminals and buff them up. This is much better than we used to do to people who steal horses. You can kill the poor when you steal from them.

This law makes perfect sense to cultures that are communally governed and not highly organized into states. God said thou shalt not steal and he meant it.

To steal in the West just means my prison stocks go up and I get a cut on your take. My auto stocks go up when the cops buy cars to use as bate. We love our crime here in the West because so many people make money.

It's the so called superior West that is truly filled with crime and savages, no?

LOL. are you for real? Do you seriously think the Saudi system is better than the one you live under in?

It's less important whether he believes it that that you answer the arguments he made.

Arguments? Ok.

Gravity doesn't exist.

Argue it. Please, it's my argument. Go.

 

[Noobtastic]

FRIDAY BEHEADINGS w00t!

Hang the raped weapon, murder the homosexuals, axe rights for all non-muslims and women, NO JEWS, w00t GO SAUDI ARABIA!

The land of peace and prosperity!!!

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
I'll be Dark Thinker:

YOU ARE AN INTOLERANT BIGOT ZEALOT XENOPHOBE

*fap*fap*fap*fap*

Yeah Netherlands and Sweden has it worse. They're very giving social services have resulted in many muslim refugees to request passage. The problem is, these people refuse to assimilate, and rather bury themselves in secluded communities where radical ideals and customs almost always evolve.


I read a story in the Netherlands about how a bakery was shut down by the new neighbors because it's prized dessert was a type of croissant, which for those who are unaware is a common symbol of Islam.

I wait for the future when I can say, "I TOLD YOU SO!"

Oh how satisfying that will be.

ROFLMAO :laugh:, this is just too funny!
Wait is this Noob or is it his friend posting this? If it's Noob keep it up :thumbsup: and if it is his friend, keep him from posting and you keep it up

Oh and BTW: *fap*fap*fap*fap* abwahahaha:laugh:

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
FRIDAY BEHEADINGS w00t!

Hang the raped weapon, murder the homosexuals, axe rights for all non-muslims and women, NO JEWS, w00t GO SAUDI ARABIA!

The land of peace and prosperity!!!

:laugh: OMG if Islamic extremists where to start sending SPAM around that's how it would read like HAHA ROFL WTG the guy using Noob's account!

 

[Noobtastic]

Ok.

 

[0roo0roo]

more uk appeasement

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
more uk appeasement

Not surprising. A friend of the family was kicked out of her school because she reported harassment by a muslim.

Now she's here fortunately, but it's such bulls**t.

the culture and society is beyond f**ked up.

 

[neodyn55]

On a related note, I read this on the same webpage:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/...nife+youths/article.do

So, the assailants have been "freed" by the Sharia court. However, they can still face trial in a criminal court - right?

From this article, the Sharia courts seem to be more counseling centers than actual courts. I think the status quo sounds fine as it is.

Of course, I don't like this part:

As well as giving advice on legal matters, such as inheritance, the website also gives general guidance on Muslim practices including the need for beards and the need for women to cover themselves in public.

It also covers issues such as whether women should train as doctors. It supports this as a "lesser evil", but suggests that training should take place at an all female college and that future treatment should be given to "women only".

 

[1prophet]

Archbishop denies asking for Islamic law

The devil is in the details, was he using this to promote something else?

Williams: He used Shariah to set example
Williams said his aim was "to tease out some of the broader issues around the rights of religious groups within a secular state" and was using Shariah law as an example.

He explained that Christians could not be expected to claim religious exceptions to secular rules ? for example, by refusing to carry out abortions ? unless they were willing to accommodate other religious traditions.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Depending upon your interpretation, much of English law follows Sharia quite closely. Ironicly, in Saudi Arabia their interpretation is, in fact, considered incorrect by many Muslims.

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