"Shakespeare was the Spielberg of his day"

her34

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I heard someone make this characterization saying that as good as spielberg may be he isn't the most innovative or creative there is. Spielberg simply makes solid stuff with mass market appeal.

Shakespeare is the same way which is why his stuff continues to live on.


Agree?
 

Ronstang

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It would be more accurate to say "Spielberg is the Shakespeare of today" if that is what you feel. I don't find him that great, definitely not in the league of Shakespeare.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Shakespeare is, IMO, legendary, however Spielberg is amazing.

I think a better word could have been used for amazing, but it basically boils down to Shakespeare's art still being great even after many years, and Spielberg's art is still recent. One has stood the test of time and passed, the other hasn't yet.

If people still refer to Spielberg a lot time from now, then yes, he'd be at a level like Shakespeare.

Today? No.
 

LongCoolMother

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Shakespeare is, IMO, legendary, however Spielberg is amazing.

I think a better word could have been used for amazing, but it basically boils down to Shakespeare's art still being great even after many years, and Spielberg's art is still recent. One has stood the test of time and passed, the other hasn't yet.

If people still refer to Spielberg a lot time from now, then yes, he'd be at a level like Shakespeare.

Today? No.

i agree with this. its possible people like george lucas will be the Homer of our time, hundreds of years from now.
 

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Shakespeare invented most of the modern English language. Keep that in mind. And if you've ever read a Shakespeare play (assuming you're able to understand some of the older terminology, like the word "nunnery"), it's not too difficult envisioning why Spielberg isn't nearly as awesome as Shakespeare.

There's a difference between making something with "mass-market appeal" and making a masterpiece. Both have can be very popular, but there's a monumental difference between E.T. and Hamlet.

Also, to my knowledge, Spielberg did not write any of the works that he directed or produced. That's a key difference that places Shakespeare in a higher category of talent.

And finally, Spielberg is no better than Lucas in the sense that he revised earlier films and fundamentally altered their artistic content. I don't believe Shakespeare ever did that; rewriting a play is not quite the same, as that is done before the release, which is exactly what Spielberg should have done if he wanted all of the guys in E.T. to hold walkie talkies instead of guns. Art is supposed to portray a message, and when E.T. was made it really wasn't a big deal to have guns in a children's movie. Frankly, that's important from a historical standpoint. It demonstrates our continued spiral toward absolute insulation of our children, but that's a debate that can wait for another thread.
 
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Shakespeare edited guns out of the special edition of Hamlet and inserted walkie-talkies into Rosencrantz and Guildensterns' hands instead?
 

Mo0o

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Shakespeare is so much better than spielberg it's kind of ridiculous to compare the two
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Shakespeare edited guns out of the special edition of Hamlet and inserted walkie-talkies into Rosencrantz and Guildenstern's hands instead?

EXACTLY. For this reason alone, Silverberg will never hold a candle to Shakespeare. Silverberg committed the unforgivable sin of editing a masterpiece to adhere to current standards of political correctness. Disgusting.
 

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Spielberg is really the Cecil B. DeMille of this generation, he makes big budget blockbusters.

Shakespeare has outlive generations where as technology changes a generation from now will see Spielberg as we see Cecil B. DeMille today.
 

BrokenVisage

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Spielberg >>>>>>>...>>> Shakespeare

Saving Private Ryan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...>>> Shakespeare in Love
 

Zugzwang152

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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Spielberg >>>>>>>...>>> Shakespeare

Saving Private Ryan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...>>> Shakespeare in Love

Where the hell did you get the idea that Shakespeare wrote Shakespear in Love?
 

rbV5

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Maybe Neil Simon is the "Shakespeare" of our time? I don't get the Spielberg comparison.
 

Auryg

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Shakespeare invented most of the modern English language. Keep that in mind. And if you've ever read a Shakespeare play (assuming you're able to understand some of the older terminology, like the word "nunnery"), it's not too difficult envisioning why Spielberg isn't nearly as awesome as Shakespeare.

There's a difference between making something with "mass-market appeal" and making a masterpiece. Both have can be very popular, but there's a monumental difference between E.T. and Hamlet.

Also, to my knowledge, Spielberg did not write any of the works that he directed or produced. That's a key difference that places Shakespeare in a higher category of talent.

And finally, Spielberg is no better than Lucas in the sense that he revised earlier films and fundamentally altered their artistic content. I don't believe Shakespeare ever did that; rewriting a play is not quite the same, as that is done before the release, which is exactly what Spielberg should have done if he wanted all of the guys in E.T. to hold walkie talkies instead of guns. Art is supposed to portray a message, and when E.T. was made it really wasn't a big deal to have guns in a children's movie. Frankly, that's important from a historical standpoint. It demonstrates our continued spiral toward absolute insulation of our children, but that's a debate that can wait for another thread.


Most of the English language? Hardly. A few words and sayings isn't most of the the language.

I hate how Shakepeare is beaten into us. I'm not an English major or anything - but I don't find anything all that special from his writing. The stories were cliche, even back then. Romeo and Juliet in a sentence - Hi, I love you, lets go die.

The English language, writing, and art of storytelling have advanced since then. It's an interesting look back at history, but we can't really look back and marvel at his great writing and stories.
 

BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Spielberg >>>>>>>...>>> Shakespeare

Saving Private Ryan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...>>> Shakespeare in Love

Where the hell did you get the idea that Shakespeare wrote Shakespear in Love?

Where the hell did you get the idea that I had the idea that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare in Love? I was merely stating that in my opinion Shakespeare in Love is a cheesy, overrated romance film that isn't in the same atmosphere as SPR, which was directed by Spielberg and DESERVED Best Picture of that year over an obnoxious, artsy piece of crap. That's all.
 

ViviTheMage

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Shakespeare was in a league of his own...

you cannot compare Spielberg to Shakespeare, they are in two total different times, eras, stages of the theater evolution.


plus, you are comparing MOVIES to THEATER ??

that is like comparing apples to bazookas.
 

homercles337

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This is such a silly comparison. Spielberg is not even in the same league as Shakespeare. Anyone who can even imagine such a comparison is a retard.