(sorry double post)
Well you get more than just that for your $100. You get DX9C/SM3, plus the possibility of a SLI upgrade (and my dual 6800GTs blow away any puny X800XL) and NV's drivers (http://www.elitebastards.com/page.php?pageid=9412&head=1&comments=1 for just a small taste of what I'm referring to here, but theres alot more reasons why NV's drivers are superior other than whats referenced in those tests).
Another kicker is that it took this long for ATi to get a decent card out this generation.. and then took forever to get it down to MSRP.. basically, I'd say its kind of a rip considering that ATI's SM3/AMR is RIGHT around the corner.
And ppl are supposed to buy into this card?
Seems kinda sh!tty to me personally.
And in reality, anyone who was goign to upgrade this gen, probably already has or they wouldnt have waited this long.. and to pop in SM2/DX9B hardware from ATI at this moment kinda sucks for the consumer.
If you are buying this late, this generation.. at least do yourself a favor and get DX9C/SM3. As its clear and obvious anyone who has waited this long more than likely does not upgrade every year anyway!
Hence, a SM3/DX9C card for anyone buying now would probably be the better choice for the type who is upgrading this late.
Yeah, there is just a chance it will be fast enough for SM3 games in the future.. but at least you have it and its there.
There is a 0% that an X800XL's SM3 is going to be fast in future games.
That said, the x800xl is a decent choice. More power to you.
But I dont know if anyone with 100% surety can claim that NV40 SM3 is "too slow", without doubt for future games. The same camp that claims this, is also saying how there are no SM3 games built from ground up.. but merely patched ie FartCry.
So its kind of hypocritical (or blatant fanboyism, take your pick).
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: housecat
i dont give a damn about nv/ati. i do not understand the downplaying of SM3/DX9C by everyone here. it makes no sense to me at all.
Did you read any of the replies above (esp. mine?) Today's cards are, IMO, too slow to really take advantage of it (unless you're talking about SLI 6800GTs or better, but that's currently an $800+ solution). Okay, so you get slightly better framerates in FarCry -- the same framerates that ATI's R4XX hardware gets with PS2.0b. Yee-haw.
bring me two cards with identical speed, and one has DX9C hardware.. I'm going to take the DX9C hardware. Its that simple.
The rest is all ATI fanboyism.
I don't think anyone's saying that, at the same price and overall performance, they wouldn't rather have SM3.0 than SM2.0. Obviously, more functionality is better than less functionality.
But if it's $300 for an X800XL and $400 for a 6800GT (as it is right now in PCIe), then what? You'd rather pay $100 more *now* for SM3.0 that *might* help you a little bit in a year -- and possibly end up being too slow for you to use anyway?
Well you get more than just that for your $100. You get DX9C/SM3, plus the possibility of a SLI upgrade (and my dual 6800GTs blow away any puny X800XL) and NV's drivers (http://www.elitebastards.com/page.php?pageid=9412&head=1&comments=1 for just a small taste of what I'm referring to here, but theres alot more reasons why NV's drivers are superior other than whats referenced in those tests).
Another kicker is that it took this long for ATi to get a decent card out this generation.. and then took forever to get it down to MSRP.. basically, I'd say its kind of a rip considering that ATI's SM3/AMR is RIGHT around the corner.
And ppl are supposed to buy into this card?
Seems kinda sh!tty to me personally.
And in reality, anyone who was goign to upgrade this gen, probably already has or they wouldnt have waited this long.. and to pop in SM2/DX9B hardware from ATI at this moment kinda sucks for the consumer.
If you are buying this late, this generation.. at least do yourself a favor and get DX9C/SM3. As its clear and obvious anyone who has waited this long more than likely does not upgrade every year anyway!
Hence, a SM3/DX9C card for anyone buying now would probably be the better choice for the type who is upgrading this late.
Yeah, there is just a chance it will be fast enough for SM3 games in the future.. but at least you have it and its there.
There is a 0% that an X800XL's SM3 is going to be fast in future games.
That said, the x800xl is a decent choice. More power to you.
But I dont know if anyone with 100% surety can claim that NV40 SM3 is "too slow", without doubt for future games. The same camp that claims this, is also saying how there are no SM3 games built from ground up.. but merely patched ie FartCry.
So its kind of hypocritical (or blatant fanboyism, take your pick).
