Sh!t headed customers deserve to be treated how? [poll]

Locut0s

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I work in Retail, assistant manager of a busy 7-11, so I see a tone of sh!t heads every day. I'm almost ALWAYS kind and respectful in return no matter what they say to me though even I have my limits. Ironically It's my manager who is the hotter head. He usually doesn't get really mad but if someone is an idiot he will treat them as such. If they act stupid he will be very brusk, barely acknoledge them or even refuse to serve them and kick them out if they are not obeying store policies, like no bikes, dogs etc... I too have zero tolerance for brining dogs and bikes into the store but like I said I'll usually bend over backwards more in the name of customer service to be nice. Which way do you think these customers deserve to be treated?

You don't need to read the rest if you don't want to. They are just some examples off the top of my head.

Here are some examples, some will of course agree that these are idiots and others will agree with the customers here:

There are some of the more mild examples we get. I'm listing them because they are the real test for how customers like this should be treated. Someone who steals or something there is no question one way or the other

(1) Here is an example where I lost my cool, not normal for me. Customer walks in with bike. 'Sorry sir we don't allow bikes in the store'. Spins around looks at door, 'where's your sign? I see a sign for no dogs, no roller blades, etc no sign about bikes' (He's right we don't have one for no bikes) Customer ignores me completely and walks to back of store with bike. Comes to counter and expects to be served normally. "Sir we don't need a sign for each and every rule it's a store policy that we don't allow bikes, It's a small store and it's for safety, there isn't a sign that you can't steal, or take money from the till either". He gets really arrogant and starts talking down to me blah blah blah. (Of course I shouldn't have said what I did but he was talking to me like I was a 2 year old)

(2) We ID customers all the time who look like they are in their mid to late 20s. We have a sing that says we ID under 30. Customers can get into screaming matches over this. We don't accept photocopies, temporary licences, school cards, expired ID, etc etc...

(3) We don't take bottle returns. (There is a 5cent bottle deposit on each bottle) Technically we are supposed to but it became too much of a hassle to deal with them and we have no space to store them plus they start attracting animals. There are plenty of other places around the store that do, right across the street for example. We get customers who say, this is illegal, I'm going to write to the government about this you can't do this. I want your name, position blah blah blah. Again technically they are right but it's never gone anywhere in all this time

(4)We exchange US money at PAR like many other places. We sometimes get Americans who are angry that they are getting a bad exchange rate. Had a guy say "So basically you are ripping me off then". "No sir most stores accept US currency at PAR now and banks don't offer much better" Occasionally we get US customers who expect American change back for their American money since this is Canada we give back Canadian change.
 

Capt Caveman

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If customers are going to ignore/break the rules, fook them.

Yesterday, I went to pick-up dog food at the pet store. Some old lady came in with an aggressive little Boston Terrier. It went after every dog in the store and actually bit one of the store owner's dogs. The old lady was completely oblivious. The store owner told the old lady that she'd hold the dog while she shopped. After paying, the store owner told the old lady not to come back to the store again.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: Izusaga
You work in retail. Get used to it.

I am used to it. Like I said I almost always treat them respectfully even if they are not to me. I thought it would be a fun topic is all.
 

Saga

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Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Izusaga
You work in retail. Get used to it.

I am used to it. Like I said I almost always treat them respectfully even if they are not to me. I thought it would be a fun topic is all.

Well, to be brutally honest I find that most retail employees are snide condescending fucktards who, albeit probably as a result of their working environment, tend to always be the one to throw the first proverbial stone of an attitude.

I know standing on your feet all day helping a bunch of retarded citizens may seem like a real rough job, but when you get into a real Salaried job where you are overworked, underpaid, and always struggling to meet an impossible deadline, you would look back on a retail job as salvation.

Ultimately it's all about attitude, and the grass is always greener on the other side. Personally, I'd love to have a job like that - I'd vent on everyone who came around until I got shot for having a big mouth, probably. Better than being a corporate slave in a backstabbing office politic-ridden environment where you can only be recognized for ultimately stepping on others and using their work for your own salary-progression.

Oops, I went off on a tangent, I think. Retail sucks, customers are retarded, I'm sorry you have to deal with that crap.
 

compuwiz1

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Contrary to what most retail people have been taught, the customer is NOT always right. As the bounds of service have expanded, so have the number of customers who believe it's alright to be unreasonable and be jerks to retail people.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: Izusaga
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Izusaga
You work in retail. Get used to it.

I am used to it. Like I said I almost always treat them respectfully even if they are not to me. I thought it would be a fun topic is all.

Well, to be brutally honest I find that most retail employees are snide condescending fucktards who, albeit probably as a result of their working environment, tend to always be the one to throw the first proverbial stone of an attitude.

I know standing on your feet all day helping a bunch of retarded citizens may seem like a real rough job, but when you get into a real Salaried job where you are overworked, underpaid, and always struggling to meet an impossible deadline, you would look back on a retail job as salvation.

Ultimately it's all about attitude, and the grass is always greener on the other side. Personally, I'd love to have a job like that - I'd vent on everyone who came around until I got shot for having a big mouth, probably. Better than being a corporate slave in a backstabbing office politic-ridden environment where you can only be recognized for ultimately stepping on others and using their work for your own salary-progression.

Oops, I went off on a tangent, I think. Retail sucks, customers are retarded, I'm sorry you have to deal with that crap.

You think those in retail are not overworked and underpaid?
 

Saga

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Originally posted by: Locut0s

You think those in retail are not overworked and underpaid?

I'm trying to determine if you're being serious. Are you truly trying to compare the average near minimum wage retail employee to a salaried position making 75k a year or more and then doing a comparison to their work? Not to mention the fact that to get the later you typically have to have gone through a ton of school and progressed far beyond the retail jobs.

I mean come on now, you didn't even try to phrase a coherent argument with that one.
 

ultimatebob

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What does a 7-11 clerk make in Canada, anyway? I'd figure that you goofy socialists up there would probably offer about $8.50 an hour for minimum wage.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: Izusaga
Originally posted by: Locut0s

You think those in retail are not overworked and underpaid?

I'm trying to determine if you're being serious. Are you truly trying to compare the average near minimum wage retail employee to a salaried position making 75k a year or more and then doing a comparison to their work? Not to mention the fact that to get the later you typically have to have gone through a ton of school and progressed far beyond the retail jobs.

I mean come on now, you didn't even try to phrase a coherent argument with that one.

Don't argue. It goes both ways. I know plenty of folks making $100k+ that don't do crap or work more than 40 hours a week.
 

Saga

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Izusaga
Originally posted by: Locut0s

You think those in retail are not overworked and underpaid?

I'm trying to determine if you're being serious. Are you truly trying to compare the average near minimum wage retail employee to a salaried position making 75k a year or more and then doing a comparison to their work? Not to mention the fact that to get the later you typically have to have gone through a ton of school and progressed far beyond the retail jobs.

I mean come on now, you didn't even try to phrase a coherent argument with that one.

Don't argue. It goes both ways. I know plenty of folks making $100k+ that don't do crap or work more than 40 hours a week.

The argument isn't pay, or workload.

The argument is salaried vs. hourly. Don't even try to tell me you can compare them, the large majority of salaried positions are Salaried because they recognize you will likely work far more than 40 hours, so the company can bleed you dry giving you deadlines and projects that require long hours and they get away with murder by not paying you overtime. Thats the entire corporate scam in a nutshell for most of middle management.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: ultimatebob
What does a 7-11 clerk make in Canada, anyway? I'd figure that you goofy socialists up there would probably offer about $8.50 an hour for minimum wage.

$8/hr is min wage. I'm making $13 /hr. But then many expenses are greater here, though not all so it isn't an apples to apples comparison.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: Izusaga
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Izusaga
Originally posted by: Locut0s

You think those in retail are not overworked and underpaid?

I'm trying to determine if you're being serious. Are you truly trying to compare the average near minimum wage retail employee to a salaried position making 75k a year or more and then doing a comparison to their work? Not to mention the fact that to get the later you typically have to have gone through a ton of school and progressed far beyond the retail jobs.

I mean come on now, you didn't even try to phrase a coherent argument with that one.

Don't argue. It goes both ways. I know plenty of folks making $100k+ that don't do crap or work more than 40 hours a week.

The argument isn't pay, or workload.

The argument is salaried vs. hourly. Don't even try to tell me you can compare them, the large majority of salaried positions are Salaried because they recognize you will likely work far more than 40 hours, so the company can bleed you dry giving you deadlines and projects that require long hours and they get away with murder by not paying you overtime. Thats the entire corporate scam in a nutshell for most of middle management.

You're making a generalization that isn't true in every single individual case. Like I said, I know plenty of folks that are salaried that don't do shit or work overtime.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: Izusaga
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Izusaga
Originally posted by: Locut0s

You think those in retail are not overworked and underpaid?

I'm trying to determine if you're being serious. Are you truly trying to compare the average near minimum wage retail employee to a salaried position making 75k a year or more and then doing a comparison to their work? Not to mention the fact that to get the later you typically have to have gone through a ton of school and progressed far beyond the retail jobs.

I mean come on now, you didn't even try to phrase a coherent argument with that one.

Don't argue. It goes both ways. I know plenty of folks making $100k+ that don't do crap or work more than 40 hours a week.

The argument isn't pay, or workload.

The argument is salaried vs. hourly. Don't even try to tell me you can compare them, the large majority of salaried positions are Salaried because they recognize you will likely work far more than 40 hours, so the company can bleed you dry giving you deadlines and projects that require long hours and they get away with murder by not paying you overtime. Thats the entire corporate scam in a nutshell for most of middle management.

True that I would agree with. But you must also recognize something of a condescending tone in your previous few posts no? If not then we can't go much further with this discussion.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: Parasitic
What's PAR?

PAR is the term used in Golf to refer to the case where you your score for a particular hole or round matches the difficulty rating of that hole. So a PAR 3 hole is designed to be played in 3 or fewer shots. Since we say you made PAR when your score is the same as the PAR rating it's like a 1-1 matching and we use the term PAR sometimes to refer to such one-to-one situations. In other words in this case the exchange rate is one to one.
 

Skeeedunt

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Society isn't doing itself any favors by letting arrogant pricks get away with acting as such. If companies want to tolerate it, that's up to them - it's their bottom line. But it's not like retail personal have some kind of moral obligation to deal with people's bullshit.
 

MartyMcFly3

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I don't see anything wrong with them getting mad about your example #3... Pain in the ass for you guys or not, you are still supposed to do that service for customers.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: Skeeedunt
Society isn't doing itself any favors by letting arrogant pricks get away with acting as such. If companies want to tolerate it, that's up to them - it's their bottom line. But it's not like retail personal have some kind of moral obligation to deal with people's bullshit.

It can depend though. The reason why I posted the examples is because some of those are mild examples that are borderline. There are indeed employees in retail who act like spoiled brats and treat customers like shit. But they are not the norm I find, whatever Izusaga's experience may be. Employees do have an certain obligation to treat customers with more respect than the average person on the street does since it IS part of the job description. The question is where should the line be drawn. When should aggression and ignorance be answered with false understanding (lying to be nice) and when should it be answered with curtness (to let them know they are going to far). The line is not always easy to draw.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I don't see anything wrong with them getting mad about your example #3... Pain in the ass for you guys or not, you are still supposed to do that service for customers.

Yes like I said some of those are borderline cases. I'm not sure what to think myself here except to say that upper management strongly encourages stores not to take them, though does not say that we have to outright refuse. I've had a few fly into rages about this though.
 

MartyMcFly3

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Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I don't see anything wrong with them getting mad about your example #3... Pain in the ass for you guys or not, you are still supposed to do that service for customers.

Yes like I said some of those are borderline cases. I'm not sure what to think myself here except to say that upper management strongly encourages stores not to take them, though does not say that we have to outright refuse. I've had a few fly into rages about this though.

As they should. Whether they could go across the street or not is besides the point. Thats like Wendy's showing a Frosty on their menu and then when you go to order one they say "Sorry, we have all the ingredients to make them and the frosty machine is working fine, but we don't feel like making any. Youll have to go to Burger King." Could that customer technically go to Burger King and get a chocolate shake? Sure but they shouldnt have to make that extra trip since Wendy's is supposed to give them that service. That's a legitimate reason to get upset in my opinion.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Parasitic
What's PAR?

PAR is the term used in Golf to refer to the case where you your score for a particular hole or round matches the difficulty rating of that hole. So a PAR 3 hole is designed to be played in 3 or fewer shots. Since we say you made PAR when your score is the same as the PAR rating it's like a 1-1 matching and we use the term PAR sometimes to refer to such one-to-one situations. In other words in this case the exchange rate is one to one.

That would be "par".

PAR, the acronym, stands for a LOT of different things, but none of them are what you're looking for.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: Parasitic
What's PAR?

PAR is the term used in Golf to refer to the case where you your score for a particular hole or round matches the difficulty rating of that hole. So a PAR 3 hole is designed to be played in 3 or fewer shots. Since we say you made PAR when your score is the same as the PAR rating it's like a 1-1 matching and we use the term PAR sometimes to refer to such one-to-one situations. In other words in this case the exchange rate is one to one.

That would be "par".

PAR, the acronym, stands for a LOT of different things, but none of them are what you're looking for.

Ok grammar maven you're right ;)