SF becomes first US city to top $10 minimum wage

[JSt0rm]

lol whut?

Texas' economy is highly dependent on the energy sector.

 

[irishScott]

I for one favor local experimentation.

So do I. Doesn't mean we can't call them stupid.

 

[CycloWizard]

You can be proud of your energy economy thats ok but thats all it is. Lets not kid ourselves, without refinery output and oil Texas would be another shit hole.

There are plenty of energy resources in CA - probably more than Texas. Damn hippies won't let anyone utilize them though, so we will keep burning Texas' fossil fuels rather than using less carbonaceous byproducts. *shrug*

 

[ShawnD1]

Isn't SF the city where rent in a shitty studio apartment is like $5,000 per month? $10/h is still ghetto poverty. Luckily it never snows there so it's not like you're at risk of freezing to death.

 

[JSt0rm]

There are plenty of energy resources in CA - probably more than Texas. Damn hippies won't let anyone utilize them though, so we will keep burning Texas' fossil fuels rather than using less carbonaceous byproducts. *shrug*

Like any 3rd world country on the planet

 

[3chordcharlie]

Nope.
Has more to do with these insane regulations driving business to other states.

This man speaks the truth

I used to run an upscale Italian restaurant catering to upscale folks in SF.

Sadly, high taxes forced me to re-locate to Missouri to save money.

I'll admit it made it very hard to find any customers, but I can now staff my empty restaurant for less than half the cost!

If you're running a business in a city like SF, and 'can't afford' to pay your staff enough to feed and clothe themselves, then you are not a viable business.

 

[CrackRabbit]

http://bls.gov/web/metro/laummtrk.htm



That's 257th out of 372 metropolitan areas, with the lowest unemployment % at the top and largest at the bottom. And this will probably lower their position even further. WTG San Fran.

Edit: Also interesting to note that a ton of CA cities are at the very bottom with atrociously high unemployment rates:

Not to say that unemployment in SF isn't high, but I would like to point out that the rest of those areas in California (with the exception of Redding) that you have listed are agricultural areas and very heavily conservative leaning.

 

[Double Trouble]

http://bls.gov/web/metro/laummtrk.htm



That's 257th out of 372 metropolitan areas, with the lowest unemployment % at the top and largest at the bottom. And this will probably lower their position even further. WTG San Fran.

Edit: Also interesting to note that a ton of CA cities are at the very bottom with atrociously high unemployment rates:

Hmmmm... I wonder if there's a connection. What could possibly be the connection?

 

[Craig234]

http://bls.gov/web/metro/laummtrk.htm



That's 257th out of 372 metropolitan areas, with the lowest unemployment % at the top and largest at the bottom. And this will probably lower their position even further. WTG San Fran.

Edit: Also interesting to note that a ton of CA cities are at the very bottom with atrociously high unemployment rates:

Most of those areas are heavily Republican. CA is the #2 in unemployment overall. It has basically nothing to do with the $10 wage, which helps those people spend more.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

is SF being extremely liberal a reason for this doing?

 

[Craig234]

I for one favor local experimentation.

This isn't about experimentation. It's about regional economy. SF is wealthier.

 

[Craig234]

This man speaks the truth

I used to run an upscale Italian restaurant catering to upscale folks in SF.

Sadly, high taxes forced me to re-locate to Missouri to save money.

I'll admit it made it very hard to find any customers, but I can now staff my empty restaurant for less than half the cost!

If you're running a business in a city like SF, and 'can't afford' to pay your staff enough to feed and clothe themselves, then you are not a viable business.

It's an incredibly competitive market for restaurants, and one of the few best places for dining in the country IMO (New York being the other leader).

 

[IGBT]

no surprise. delusional militant liberal city government. It will add to the mass exodus of earners and achievers leaving california.

 

[Craig234]

no surprise. delusional militant liberal city government. It will add to the mass exodus of earners and achievers leaving california.

That's why San Francisco is now a deserted city with less wealth than Republican parts of the country. You flat-earthers are remarkably resistant to the truth.

Fact is, stronger wages strengthen the economy and the middle class. Those workers making more help sustain San Francisco's strong economy.

I remember you people - the right-wing ideologues - saying how Clinton's tax increase on the top 1.2% in 1993 would destroy the economy, raise unemployment, kill growth.

 

[cybrsage]

The US economy is WAYYY to large for changes to have any immediate effect...unless they are massive or radical changes (0% bank to bank interest rates, Twin Tower attacks, 30s stock market collapse), etc. Changes take years to be felt and seen.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Isn't SF the city where rent in a shitty studio apartment is like $5,000 per month? $10/h is still ghetto poverty. Luckily it never snows there so it's not like you're at risk of freezing to death.

However raising it up will ensure that more of that "ghetto poverty" stays in Oakland/ The East Bay rather then in SF. Minimum wage hikes are a nice way to push low skill workers who aren't worth the minimum out of the market place for jobs (thus increasing Democrat voter shares of "The Disenfranchised" ) while increasing the cost of living for everyone else.

 

[Screech]

SF: wonderful place to visit, but a terrible place to live unless you already have a high 5-figure or a six figure job lined up.

edit: and that isn't impossible if you get into the right field (lots of computer stuff of course, some banking stuff, etc). will be interesting to see how this turns out. Probably more people at the bottom moving as they get fired while most of everyone else not making that won't really care.

 

[Zorkorist]

That's why San Francisco is now a deserted city with less wealth than Republican parts of the country. You flat-earthers are remarkably resistant to the truth.

Fact is, stronger wages strengthen the economy and the middle class. Those workers making more help sustain San Francisco's strong economy.

I remember you people - the right-wing ideologues - saying how Clinton's tax increase on the top 1.2% in 1993 would destroy the economy, raise unemployment, kill growth.

When, and along with unlimited spending, of course the cash cows will reap the benefits.

It's all fake money.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Hows the home, 100 miles south of you? North of you? East and West of you?

So yeah, you have got it good... due to large amounts of federal spending.

-John

 

[the DRIZZLE]

That's why San Francisco is now a deserted city with less wealth than Republican parts of the country. You flat-earthers are remarkably resistant to the truth.

Fact is, stronger wages strengthen the economy and the middle class. Those workers making more help sustain San Francisco's strong economy.

I remember you people - the right-wing ideologues - saying how Clinton's tax increase on the top 1.2% in 1993 would destroy the economy, raise unemployment, kill growth.

O wise central planner, please tell us what the optimum minimum wage is.

 

[irishScott]

Most of those areas are heavily Republican. CA is the #2 in unemployment overall. It has basically nothing to do with the $10 wage, which helps those people spend more.

Stop comparing different contexts craig, before I start doing the same.

Look at the top of the unemployment stats I listed.

1 Bismarck, ND Metropolitan Statistical Area 2.4
2 Fargo, ND-MN Metropolitan Statistical Area 3.1
3 Lincoln, NE Metropolitan Statistical Area 3.4
4 Burlington-South Burlington, VT Metropolitan NECTA 3.6
5 Grand Forks, ND-MN Metropolitan Statistical Area 3.8
6 Sioux Falls, SD Metropolitan Statistical Area 3.9
7 Ames, IA Metropolitan Statistical Area 4.1
7 Rapid City, SD Metropolitan Statistical Area 4.1
9 Iowa City, IA Metropolitan Statistical Area 4.2
10 Mankato-North Mankato, MN Metropolitan Statistical Area 4.3

Because none of these places are Conservative. Nope. Not a one.

See? I can do it too. Good thing I acknowledge that all of the above locations are extremely different from San Francisco (if nothing else in terms of population) and that comparing any of them to SF is apples and oranges. Otherwise I'd be trolling as badly as you are.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The US economy is WAYYY to large for changes to have any immediate effect...unless they are massive or radical changes (0% bank to bank interest rates, Twin Tower attacks, 30s stock market collapse), etc. Changes take years to be felt and seen.

Which is part of the problem. Crappy economic policies can end up being passed as politicians play on emotions while the public ignores what the actual effects will be several years down the road. This is because the consequences of these bad polices are not immediately seen or felt so politicians can get people to vote against their own long term interests.

For example mandating home loans for people who would normally not qualify because they lack a sufficient down payment thus propping up a housing bubble and speculation in the market that eventually ends up taking down the economy as a whole.

Or another example is the fed backing all student loans and making it easier to attain loans as whole which in turn slowly but surely ends up raising the cost of higher education while increasing the number of people who fall into massive debt. Which then has a side detrimental affect of creating a glut of useless college diplomas that depreciate the value of all college degrees on average in the employment market place.

Or another example can be seen with the affect of regulations in industries discouraging and raising the bar of entry of new competitors and of course the affect of minimum wage on long term employment options for high risk employees such as younger/older people and lower skilled or educated people.

 

[Craig234]

Hows the home, 100 miles south of you? North of you? East and West of you?

So yeah, you have got it good... due to large amounts of federal spending.

-John

CA pays a lot more federal taxes than it gets. Red States are the opposite.

 

[Craig234]

Stop comparing different contexts craig, before I start doing the same.

Look at the top of the unemployment stats I listed.



Because none of these places are Conservative. Nope. Not a one.

See? I can do it too. Good thing I acknowledge that all of the above locations are extremely different from San Francisco (if nothing else in terms of population) and that comparing any of them to SF is apples and oranges. Otherwise I'd be trolling as badly as you are.

The only one trolling here is you. I was disproving your fallacy, not arguing it.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

CA pays a lot more federal taxes than it gets. Red States are the opposite.

Who exactly pays the bulk share of those CA taxes?