Seymour Hersh & "New Yorker": Bush planned war in Lebanon

[Lemon law]

This Seymour Hersch article squares perfecrly with some other information leaked out: namely that the joints chiefs of staff and neo-con central engaged in a big shouting match some months ago on a possible US War against Iran----the latest neo-con theory was that massive US bombing of Iranian civilian infrastructure would cause the Iranian people to blame their own ruling mullahs for the resulting destruction---and the Iranian people would rise up and overthrow the mullahs---and Iran would then set up a democratic government---with everyone then living happily ever after.

Seems the joint chiefs of staff were not buying this latest rosy senario of the collected neo-cons---and a shouting match then resulted when the somewhat amazed neo-cons found a group in government that doubted the theory they so eagarly embraced.

But cheer up---we now have a dry run of exactly that theory---and the Jury is in---instead of the Lebanese people blaming Hezbollah---they blame Israel for the rape of their country.

And Sie is right about that other thing---already Bush is doing the revisionist history to spin this as a glorous US victory---when its only the latest bloody battle in a long history of tit for tat violence that only makes a just mid-east peace settlement harder to obtain.

But one thing we can relie on still----on any given question----Bush unerringly chooses the wrong course.

I only can hope that Bush will find some relatively pain free way to totally discredit himself and his nutty band of neo-cons before they really blow it by invading Iran.----but that is the scary message in the Setmour Herch article-----Bush is bound and determined to invade---and just needs that convient incident to justify it.

 

[wiin]

This Bush person must be one powerful man. He orchestrated 9/11, the tsunami, the hurricane in the US, global warming and now, the war in Lebanon.
No wonder the left hates him. Judging by what the left said, he is like, the almighty one.

Originally posted by: UNCjigga
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Not sure what to believe. Seymour Hersh is supposedly a well-respected journalist and someone who takes his craft seriously, and no doubt he has good sources. But we all know what side of the fence he sits on. And this is the first (and only) report I've heard about this.

The problem is that this policy is not as far-fetched as it seems. It would also explain Condi Rice's failure to broker a cease-fire agreement--she was merely used as a pawn.

Covertly supporting another state to wage open war on a sovereign nation (albeit parts controlled by terrorists) is a horrible, horrible policy to undertake and I thought this circumvents congressional law and international law. But this is how the neo-Cons think. We need to get rid of Bush and his cronies or else we'll keep paying for it later.

 

[dmcowen674]

So Bush/Olmert just used the kidnapping of the two soldiers to kick their plan off?

 

[ProfJohn]

What Hersh is saying actually makes sense.

It works like this... the US and Israel decied that if Hezbullah does anything overly stupid tthey should react with overwhellem force. Since in the past the Israel response to kidnapping was weak and ineffective it seems like a change of plan was a good idea.
We did the same thing after 9-11. After every prior terrorist attack we responded with a few cruise missiles, if that. After 9-11 we said "f*** this" and beat the hell out of the taliban and al-qaeda.

For those of you who actually think Israel lost the war you would be doing yourself a favor by reading this following, all of which point out that Hezbollah is in worse shape today than when the "war" started.

Some prime quotes:
"If Hezbollah won a victory, it was a Pyrrhic one," says Walid Abi-Mershed, a leading Lebanese columnist. "They made Lebanon pay too high a price--for which they must be held accountable."

Mona Fayed, a prominent Shiite academic in Beirut, wrote an article also published by An-Nahar last week. She asks: Who is a Shiite in Lebanon today? She provides a sarcastic answer: A Shiite is he who takes his instructions from Iran, terrorizes fellow believers into silence, and leads the nation into catastrophe without consulting anyone.

"Hezbollah won the propaganda war because many in the West wanted it to win as a means of settling score with the United States," says Egyptian columnist Ali al-Ibrahim. "But the Arabs have become wise enough to know TV victory from real victory."

Hezbollah Didn't Win
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008847

"On balance, Israel won this round"
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0817/p09s02-coop.html

Hoodwinked by Hezbollah
http://www.reason.com/links/links082406.shtml

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Genx87
This guy claimed we were to invade Iran in June of 2005.
He is a bomb thrower and that is about it.

I thought it was Scott Ritter who was predicitng dates on attacking Iran.

Anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if the USA and Israel colluded on some level. Everything is building for a confrontation with Iran. It's written on the walls.

Hersh wrote about it and used other evidence to back his claims. Of course he put in his article if it didnt happen, it was all because of his article lmao.

Ego-maniac comes to mind with this guy.

Sounds like he was wrong regarding Iran just like Dub and his handlers were wrong about Iraq regarding WMD's, it's supposed ties to Al Qaeda and the Iraqi's welcoming our troops as liberators. The big difference is that Hersh's mistake isn't costing us American lives and destablizing the ME like the Dub's mistake is.

 

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"In 1998, following perceived Iraqi unwillingness to co-operate with UN weapons inspections, members of the PNAC, including Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, wrote to President Bill Clinton urging him to remove Saddam Hussein from power using US diplomatic, political and military power. The letter argued that Saddam would pose a threat to the United States, its Middle East allies and oil resources in the region if he succeeded in maintaining his stockpile of Weapons of Mass Destruction. The letter also stated "we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections" and "American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council." The letter argues that an Iraq war would be justified by Hussein's defiance of UN "containment" policy and his persistent threat to US interests.

"The 2000 Rebuilding America's Defenses report recommends improved planning and , the report states "while the unresolved conflict in Iraq provides the immediate justification [for US military presence], the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein" and "Over the long term, Iran may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests in the Gulf as Iraq has. And even should U.S.-Iranian relations improve, retaining forward-based forces in the region would still be an essential element in U.S. security strategy given the longstanding American interests in the region".
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[LumbergTech]

the one who exposed abu ghraib was a US soldier, not a reporter

 

[LumbergTech]

lets not forget that cheney helped write IRANs nuclear program for energy

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
lets not forget that cheney helped write IRANs nuclear program for energy

Have any proof of that statement?

How about this:

Bill Clinton helped North Korea and Irans missile programs. He did this by loosening up export restrictions on missile technology to China. This allowed American companies to help the Chinese get satelites into space.

Now since China is the #1 supportor of North Korea it isn't to much of a strech to think that some of this know how ended up in North Korea, who would most likely be willing to sell it to Iran.

Now Iran takes these new improved missiles and gives them Hezbollah, Hezbollah launches them on Isreal.

So in reality we should all be blaming Bill Clinton for all the deaths in Isreal because of missiles launch by Hezbollah...

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
lets not forget that cheney helped write IRANs nuclear program for energy

Let us also blame FDR & Truman for allowing the Red Chinese to take over mainland China. After all, they are the ones getting close to Iran which controls Syria and Hezbollah.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
lets not forget that cheney helped write IRANs nuclear program for energy

Let us also blame FDR & Truman for allowing the Red Chinese to take over mainland China. After all, they are the ones getting close to Iran which controls Syria and Hezbollah.

Yeah there's plenty to blame Dick Cheney for without giving him credit for Iran's Nuclear program.