Sex Offenders Not Allowed Inside Hurricane Shelters

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Hillsborough Officials Vote Sex Offenders Out of Hurricane shelters

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -- Hillsborough County commissioners have unanimously voted to create a policy banning the county's 12-hundred registered sex offenders and predators from public hurricane shelters.

Sheriff David Gee proposed the ban and says the sex offenders "ought to fend for themselves." Gee says sex offenders will be arrested if they come near public shelters.

A convicted sex offender is charged with murder for the April abduction and killing of 13-year-old Sarah Lunde of Hillsborough County.

Earlier this month, Seminole County's sheriff proposed making a separate hurricane shelter for sex offenders, to keep them out of public shelters.

And Jacksonville officials have approved legislation requiring sex offenders who seek emergency shelter during a hurricane to disclose their sex crime conviction to shelter operators upon arrival.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=39035

saw a blurb about this on CNN, and it got a huge wtfbbq response out of me.

isn't it safe to say that not every sex offender is a child-murdering pedophile? I'd imagine there are plenty of non-violent and even consensual things that could get one labeled as a sex offender (hiring a prostitute, an 18 year-old having sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend, etc). are they somehow less deserving of shelter than a murderer?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Hillsborough Officials Vote Sex Offenders Out of Hurricane shelters

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -- Hillsborough County commissioners have unanimously voted to create a policy banning the county's 12-hundred registered sex offenders and predators from public hurricane shelters.

Sheriff David Gee proposed the ban and says the sex offenders "ought to fend for themselves." Gee says sex offenders will be arrested if they come near public shelters.

A convicted sex offender is charged with murder for the April abduction and killing of 13-year-old Sarah Lunde of Hillsborough County.

Earlier this month, Seminole County's sheriff proposed making a separate hurricane shelter for sex offenders, to keep them out of public shelters.

And Jacksonville officials have approved legislation requiring sex offenders who seek emergency shelter during a hurricane to disclose their sex crime conviction to shelter operators upon arrival.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=39035

saw a blurb about this on CNN, and it got a huge wtfbbq response out of me.

isn't it safe to say that not every sex offender is a child-murdering pedophile? I'd imagine there are plenty of non-violent and even consensual things that could get one labeled as a sex offender (hiring a prostitute, an 18 year-old having sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend, etc). are they somehow less deserving of shelter than a murderer?

Ahh yes the age old pedophile issue in this country.

This is a very problematic issue because there are plenty of people who end up on the offender lists who dont belong there. Some states will even put you on the list even if not convicted of a crime. You just need to be accused.

I dont like the lists because it reminds me of Nazi Germany.
They are ineffective anyways because nobody ever checks them.

The real solution is to lock them up and throw away the key if convicted. Putting them in jail for 5-7 then making them continue serving a sentence once out in public is a joke.

 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Hillsborough Officials Vote Sex Offenders Out of Hurricane shelters

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -- Hillsborough County commissioners have unanimously voted to create a policy banning the county's 12-hundred registered sex offenders and predators from public hurricane shelters.

Sheriff David Gee proposed the ban and says the sex offenders "ought to fend for themselves." Gee says sex offenders will be arrested if they come near public shelters.

A convicted sex offender is charged with murder for the April abduction and killing of 13-year-old Sarah Lunde of Hillsborough County.

Earlier this month, Seminole County's sheriff proposed making a separate hurricane shelter for sex offenders, to keep them out of public shelters.

And Jacksonville officials have approved legislation requiring sex offenders who seek emergency shelter during a hurricane to disclose their sex crime conviction to shelter operators upon arrival.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=39035

saw a blurb about this on CNN, and it got a huge wtfbbq response out of me.

isn't it safe to say that not every sex offender is a child-murdering pedophile? I'd imagine there are plenty of non-violent and even consensual things that could get one labeled as a sex offender (hiring a prostitute, an 18 year-old having sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend, etc). are they somehow less deserving of shelter than a murderer?

WTF is this?

Either they are a danger to society and should be in jail, or they have been deemed non-dangerous and have served their time, after which they continue to be citizens with all the inherant rights as such.

You can't have it both ways, people.
 

OutHouse

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the ACLU will defiantly sue over this. there are many many people wear the scarlet A as a sex offender that in my opinion dont belong on the list.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: loki8481
I'd imagine there are plenty of non-violent and even consensual things that could get one labeled as a sex offender (hiring a prostitute, an 18 year-old having sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend, etc). are they somehow less deserving of shelter than a murderer?

Two points about this (and please note that sex offender status is a state law issue, and states' laws vary, of course):

1) In most states, getting caught soliciting for prostitution doesn't get you labeled as a sex offender, and

2) Most rape (and statutory rape) laws contain an age-gap provision explicitly designed to avoid having to send 18 y.o.'s to jail for consentual sex with 17 y.o. girlfriends. It's generally 4 years.
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: loki8481
Hillsborough Officials Vote Sex Offenders Out of Hurricane shelters

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -- Hillsborough County commissioners have unanimously voted to create a policy banning the county's 12-hundred registered sex offenders and predators from public hurricane shelters.

Sheriff David Gee proposed the ban and says the sex offenders "ought to fend for themselves." Gee says sex offenders will be arrested if they come near public shelters.

A convicted sex offender is charged with murder for the April abduction and killing of 13-year-old Sarah Lunde of Hillsborough County.

Earlier this month, Seminole County's sheriff proposed making a separate hurricane shelter for sex offenders, to keep them out of public shelters.

And Jacksonville officials have approved legislation requiring sex offenders who seek emergency shelter during a hurricane to disclose their sex crime conviction to shelter operators upon arrival.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=39035

saw a blurb about this on CNN, and it got a huge wtfbbq response out of me.

isn't it safe to say that not every sex offender is a child-murdering pedophile? I'd imagine there are plenty of non-violent and even consensual things that could get one labeled as a sex offender (hiring a prostitute, an 18 year-old having sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend, etc). are they somehow less deserving of shelter than a murderer?

WTF is this?

Either they are a danger to society and should be in jail, or they have been deemed non-dangerous and have served their time, after which they continue to be citizens with all the inherant rights as such.

You can't have it both ways, people.


Unfortunately we have to have it both ways. Basically, not absolutely, conservatives want to lock up those who are a continuing danger to society and liberals want to give them one chance after another. Given that the push by NAMBLA (did I get that right) and other liberal organizations want to redefine pediophelia to be just another sexual preference makes it even harder to punish them.

Remember, Pedophiles have (1) a sexual preference, for which progressives must be tolerant of (2) are born that way and (3) are not cureable.

So liberals and conservatives can convict them and lock them up but then liberal judges will simply free them.

BTW, this ruling is yet another case where the Government solution is the wrong solution. It is why true conservatives want a smaller Government and don't like passing laws just to make new laws.
 

StageLeft

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That's really so lynchlike that I don't need to comment on it, because anybody with a brain knows how insane that is.
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: irwincur
I dont like the lists because it reminds me of Nazi Germany.

Why does everything have to remind everyone of Nazi Germany...


People always ask, how could they have allowed their guns and rights to be taken away. How could people have stood around while such atrocities were committed.

Yet, the same liberal form of government used then is being spread throughout the world now. We should be able to understand how it was allowed since we are allowing it.

It is important to remind everyone how radical forms of liberal governments spread so that everyone can act to stop it.

Remember the words of Edmunde Burke.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: loki8481
Hillsborough Officials Vote Sex Offenders Out of Hurricane shelters

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -- Hillsborough County commissioners have unanimously voted to create a policy banning the county's 12-hundred registered sex offenders and predators from public hurricane shelters.

Sheriff David Gee proposed the ban and says the sex offenders "ought to fend for themselves." Gee says sex offenders will be arrested if they come near public shelters.

A convicted sex offender is charged with murder for the April abduction and killing of 13-year-old Sarah Lunde of Hillsborough County.

Earlier this month, Seminole County's sheriff proposed making a separate hurricane shelter for sex offenders, to keep them out of public shelters.

And Jacksonville officials have approved legislation requiring sex offenders who seek emergency shelter during a hurricane to disclose their sex crime conviction to shelter operators upon arrival.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=39035

saw a blurb about this on CNN, and it got a huge wtfbbq response out of me.

isn't it safe to say that not every sex offender is a child-murdering pedophile? I'd imagine there are plenty of non-violent and even consensual things that could get one labeled as a sex offender (hiring a prostitute, an 18 year-old having sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend, etc). are they somehow less deserving of shelter than a murderer?

WTF is this?

Either they are a danger to society and should be in jail, or they have been deemed non-dangerous and have served their time, after which they continue to be citizens with all the inherant rights as such.

You can't have it both ways, people.

:thumbsup: Agreed.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: irwincur

Why does everything have to remind everyone of Nazi Germany...



Hmmm...I vonder....veddy intevestink!

Sie sind blineded durch den Bush meinen Freund!
 

judasmachine

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ugh, i guess it's fight ugly with ugly.

I agree that once someone has served their time, they are once again considered "clean." If they are a threat then don't let them out..
 

Ryan

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Same thing here in FL - they can't be in any situation where they might contact children.
 

Citadel535

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If I was forced to stay in a hurricane shelter with my family, I don't want some sex offender feeling around under his sheets while staring at my daughter as she sleeps. I think it's a good idea.
 
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Originally posted by: Citadel535
If I was forced to stay in a hurricane shelter with my family, I don't want some sex offender feeling around under his sheets while staring at my daughter as she sleeps. I think it's a good idea.

And what if the sex offender is a 40 year old man with a family who got in trouble when he was 18 for having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend that he later married?

Be rational, no one wants pedophiles around there children, but it?s to easy to score political points by being ?anti sex offender? and leave all those who are quite innocent to suffer at the hands of mindless bigotry.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

WTF is this?

Either they are a danger to society and should be in jail, or they have been deemed non-dangerous and have served their time, after which they continue to be citizens with all the inherant rights as such.

You can't have it both ways, people.

What this is, is the U.S. spiraling down faster than a Honey Baked Ham on Easter Sunday.
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: Citadel535
If I was forced to stay in a hurricane shelter with my family, I don't want some sex offender feeling around under his sheets while staring at my daughter as she sleeps. I think it's a good idea.
The thing is that frankly I don't think there is much risk at all of sex offenders doing anything in the situation in question. Its way to public a setting for a sex offender in most cases to pull off anything without getting caught and stopped mid act. Its also true that most sex offenders are able to calculate enough that they would pick a less public setting to re-offend, if they can't control themselves that much they would likely be in jail again before the hurricane shelter issue comes up.

This measure strikes me as a nasty bit of vigilantee style justice against sex offenders that have served their time.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: Citadel535
If I was forced to stay in a hurricane shelter with my family, I don't want some sex offender feeling around under his sheets while staring at my daughter as she sleeps. I think it's a good idea.

The thing is that frankly I don't think there is much risk at all of sex offenders doing anything in the situation in question.

Why they will hop from cot to cot molesting every kid in the shelter of course. What else? :confused:
 

Isla

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Most of our hurricane shelters are in public schools. I understand them being banned from public school shelters, because it is the teachers who have to run the shelters during a hurricane (I know, I'm on the team). We even have to have an area set up for a morgue. It's nerve wracking.

However, I would think they (or anyone previously convicted of a violent offense) could be let into non-school shelters that are run by other groups.