Sex Education Could Mean Charges for Teachers

Amused

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Thankfully it's nothing but a scare tactic, but still. The Religious Right while a weak one, is still a menace...


Sex Education Could Mean Charges for Teachers
Wednesday, April 07, 2010

Associated Press

MADISON, Wis. — A Wisconsin prosecutor is warning sex education teachers they could face charges if they follow a new state law that allows them to instruct students about proper contraceptive use.

A letter sent to five school districts by Juneau County District Attorney Scott Southworth said the instruction could amount to contributing to the delinquency of a minor if teachers know students are sexually active. He said the districts should drop sex education until the law is repealed.

Southworth also argued that teaching contraceptive use encourages sexual behavior among children, which equates to sexual assault because minors can't legally have sex in Wisconsin.

"Depending on the specific facts of a case ... this encouragement and advocacy could lead to criminal charges," Southworth, a Republican, wrote to districts in his county.

The law's chief author, state Rep. Tamara Grigsby, D-Milwaukee, dismissed the March 24 letter as a scare tactic.

"It's beyond ridiculous," Grigsby said Tuesday. "It's irresponsible to portray this act in the way he is."

Southworth said in a Tuesday e-mail to The Associated Press that he "merely provided a legal opinion to my school districts about the impact of the new mandate."

"It was the Legislature that acted irresponsibly," he wrote.

Wisconsin school districts aren't required to teach sex education. But the new law, which took effect March 11, lays out requirements for those that do, including teaching the benefits of abstinence, criminal penalties for having underage sex and the benefits and proper use of contraceptives.

Supporters, including groups representing nurses, health departments and the state teacher's union, maintain the law will help reduce teen pregnancies. Conservative opponents counter schools should focus on abstinence.

Southworth's letter said law would convert sex education classes "into a radical program that sexualizes our children as early as kindergarten. This, in turn, will lead to more child sexual assaults."

Southworth complained that language prohibiting biased instruction makes it impossible to teach that sexual promiscuity is wrong. He also said a clause allowing volunteer health care providers to teach sex education could open the door to Planned Parenthood employees marketing sexually oriented products to students.

Planned Parenthood doesn't go into schools unless a school asks, said Chris Taylor, public policy director for Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin. Taylor said the law is designed to prevent sexually transmitted diseases and teen pregnancies.

"The real issue here is you have a district attorney who says teachers will be prosecuted," she said.

Southworth's letter is "a friendly warning," said Matt Sande, legislative director of Pro-Life Wisconsin, which registered to lobby against the law.

"He's simply doing his duty as district attorney," Sande said.

New Lisbon Superintendent Tom Andres said his district, which was among those that received Southworth's letter, is seeking legal advice about the law. While the school board will make the ultimate decision, Andres said he believes his schools should teach according to the law if parents approve.

"We're in a moral dilemma," Andres said. "We know our kids need correct, right information. We have to know what that is and teach it in such a manner that doesn't promote sexual assault or bullying."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,590520,00.html
 

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Southworth's letter said law would convert sex education classes "into a radical program that sexualizes our children as early as kindergarten. This, in turn, will lead to more child sexual assaults."
So he is one THOSE idiots, the teachers should just ignore him.
Any attempt to prosecute a teacher for teaching the sex education curriculum would result in a massive legal smackdown on this guy.
Hopefully the people of MN will show this guy the door the next time he is up for election.
 

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So he is one THOSE idiots, the teachers should just ignore him.
Any attempt to prosecute a teacher for teaching the sex education curriculum would result in a massive legal smackdown on this guy.
Hopefully the people of MN will show this guy the door the next time he is up for election.

Like I said, thankfully the Religious Right has been nothing more than a minor, local nuisance over the last few decades.

But crap like this still happens.
 

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So he is one THOSE idiots, the teachers should just ignore him.
Any attempt to prosecute a teacher for teaching the sex education curriculum would result in a massive legal smackdown on this guy.
Hopefully the people of MN will show this guy the door the next time he is up for election.

No, it would not necessarily result in a "massive legal smackdown" on this guy. Just because the law doesn't make sense and is stupid doesn't mean it isn't the law, and you can still find yourself convicted of a crime. Even if you end up not getting convicted, you'd be out tens of thousands in legal fees trying to defend yourself in court.

No, you don't ignore this guy, the law needs to be clarified so the teachers are not put at risk for doing their job.
 

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If you hate yourself the only way you can have any pleasure is if you painfully earn it.

Missionary position, husband and wife, goal to have babies, that's it. Any other sex is evil. And God Damn it, nobody else should ever have it. You don't deserve it, you worthless bastards.
 

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Well the law is the law, so therefore we should pass a law that people can't have sex until they are at least age 25.

Sadly, such laws are made to be broken, because massive civil disobedience is the only predictable result. Now do we want responsible sex education or will children just learn irresponsible sex from their peers? Raging teenage hormones are an unstoppable force.

Christian based sex abstinence programs have proved to be an epic fail.
 

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Well the law is the law, so therefore we should pass a law that people can't have sex until they are at least age 25.

Sadly, such laws are made to be broken, because massive civil disobedience is the only predictable result. Now do we want responsible sex education or will children just learn irresponsible sex from their peers? Raging teenage hormones are an unstoppable force.

Christian based sex abstinence programs have proved to be an epic fail.
Yep, take the Vatican for example.
 

Amused

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Well the law is the law, so therefore we should pass a law that people can't have sex until they are at least age 25.

Sadly, such laws are made to be broken, because massive civil disobedience is the only predictable result. Now do we want responsible sex education or will children just learn irresponsible sex from their peers? Raging teenage hormones are an unstoppable force.

Christian based sex abstinence programs have proved to be an epic fail.

ANY law that tells a person what they can do with their own body is, and always will be, an epic fail.
 

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No, it would not necessarily result in a "massive legal smackdown" on this guy. Just because the law doesn't make sense and is stupid doesn't mean it isn't the law, and you can still find yourself convicted of a crime. Even if you end up not getting convicted, you'd be out tens of thousands in legal fees trying to defend yourself in court.

No, you don't ignore this guy, the law needs to be clarified so the teachers are not put at risk for doing their job.

So who do you side with? A single prosecutor with an obvious extreme right-wing agenda, or the state legislature who created a law mandating (from the looks of it) fairly sensible sex ed?
 

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I think my sex-ed program was just fine, public schooled Northern VA. We were taught abstinence above all, but were made aware of the various contraceptive options. Even had a quiz on them, although they stopped short of instructing us on how to use them.
 

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Prosecutors in Wisconsin are elected. Frankly, this guy is politicing, not practicing law. I'm presently in a state where prosecutors are not elected and in my experience the non-politician prosecutors are generally far superior.

It should be the state attorney general's office that should issue such opinions.
 

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No, it would not necessarily result in a "massive legal smackdown" on this guy. Just because the law doesn't make sense and is stupid doesn't mean it isn't the law, and you can still find yourself convicted of a crime. Even if you end up not getting convicted, you'd be out tens of thousands in legal fees trying to defend yourself in court.

No, you don't ignore this guy, the law needs to be clarified so the teachers are not put at risk for doing their job.

Or this guy should be fired.
 

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Or this guy should be fired.
For pointing out the possible consequences of bad laws?

Even if the guy honestly believes that teaching certain things is bad and should be prevented by all legal means necessary, he is still doing everyone with the opposite opinion a favor by pointing out how the current law could be construed. Bad laws should be removed, not ignored. Simply declining to enforce laws without actually changing or repealing them only makes enforcement arbitrary and capricious, without creating true justice.
 

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Why is this taught in the schools in the first place?

Schools need to focus on actual education and drop the crap.

This is the job of the PARENT.

Could the move of PARENTING from the actual parent to the state, have a role in the decline of todays youth?
 

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Why is this taught in the schools in the first place?

Schools need to focus on actual education and drop the crap.

This is the job of the PARENT.

Could the move of PARENTING from the actual parent to the state, have a role in the decline of todays youth?

By education you mean testing to state standardized tests. Gotta get those kids to pass so we can get our money!
I think teaching kids how to stay STD and child free is at least as important as learning math, and science.
 

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Why is this taught in the schools in the first place?

Schools need to focus on actual education and drop the crap.

This is the job of the PARENT.

Could the move of PARENTING from the actual parent to the state, have a role in the decline of todays youth?

The decline of today's youth is all our faults. We created the structures that create them. Monstrous structures produce monsters.
 

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By education you mean testing to state standardized tests. Gotta get those kids to pass so we can get our money!
I think teaching kids how to stay STD and child free is at least as important as learning math, and science.

Knowing bout about STDs doesn't get you a job.
 

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For pointing out the possible consequences of bad laws?

Even if the guy honestly believes that teaching certain things is bad and should be prevented by all legal means necessary, he is still doing everyone with the opposite opinion a favor by pointing out how the current law could be construed. Bad laws should be removed, not ignored. Simply declining to enforce laws without actually changing or repealing them only makes enforcement arbitrary and capricious, without creating true justice.

Southworth's letter said law would convert sex education classes "into a radical program that sexualizes our children as early as kindergarten. This, in turn, will lead to more child sexual assaults."
That is not a legal opinion, it's his personal political opinion, that he's abusing the power of his office to force on others. He's opining on the law, not just enforcing it. He should be fired.
 

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That is not a legal opinion, it's his personal political opinion, that he's abusing the power of his office to force on others. He's opining on the law, not just enforcing it. He should be fired.
The law can not be enforced without opining on it. The role of the DA is to form opinions of what the law means for enforcement practices, and to act accordingly. If you don't like how politicized a DA's opinions happen to be, that might be an indication of an institutional flaw, but the problem is NOT that forming opinions is somehow outside of the job description of a DA.

The very definition of an attorney's job is to form opinions. Preferably defensible ones, but that distinction is left up to judges...
 

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Why is this taught in the schools in the first place?

Schools need to focus on actual education and drop the crap.

This is the job of the PARENT.

Could the move of PARENTING from the actual parent to the state, have a role in the decline of todays youth?

Aren't you the guy that wants schools to teach the kids how to balance a checkbook and read a mortagage contract? Life skills, MAN!!
 
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I think my sex-ed program was just fine, public schooled Northern VA. We were taught abstinence above all, but were made aware of the various contraceptive options. Even had a quiz on them, although they stopped short of instructing us on how to use them.

That's kind of dumb. Telling people that they exist but not showing how to use it properly?