Sewage workers complain about flat wages. Screw them.

[CycloWizard]

buahahahahahah. I think you should visit nyc just to understand what you are saying. It isn't your trailer park we are talking about.

My visiting NYC isn't going to force you to think in a rational manner, so it's not going to help you understand what I'm saying.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Win of all threads ever, except babe threads.

 

[JSt0rm]

My visiting NYC isn't going to force you to think in a rational manner, so it's not going to help you understand what I'm saying.

Well it will help YOU understand what you are saying

 

[CycloWizard]

Well it will help YOU understand what you are saying

Yes, you're right. You've got me pegged: I'm ignorant trailer trash who has no idea what he's talkin' bout and never seen the big city. Or, I wrote a masters thesis on wastewater treatment, got a PhD in chemical engineering, and was recently a visiting professor at University of Oxford while acting as a consultant for the Royal Academy on how to run new sewer lines through London and Oxford without compromising the structure of ancient structures there. It's anyone's guess, really.

edit: Or you could just ask the mods to check where I was posting from for the entire month of January 2010 and throw out all the guessing. Pick your poison.

 

[JSt0rm]

Or, I wrote a masters thesis on wastewater treatment, got a PhD in chemical engineering, and was recently a visiting professor at University of Oxford while acting as a consultant for the Royal Academy on how to run new sewer lines through London and Oxford without compromising the structure of ancient structures there.

So you infact ARE the king of sewage. Please explain to me again how companies will compete for my shit?

 

[Hacp]

So you infact ARE the king of sewage. Please explain to me again how companies will compete for my shit?

Isn't feces a natural fertilizer? I see a lot of potential in making money. The government probably just dumps it in a landfill and leaves it at that.

 

[CycloWizard]

So you infact ARE the king of sewage. Please explain to me again how companies will compete for my shit?

There are plenty of ways. The basic premise, as with any deal, is that a company would give you a price for service (or a rate per volume) and you would pick the company you want. Alternatively, cities would hold an auction for a contract for management of the city sewer system and/or wastewater treatment facilities for a predefined amount of time, and the lowest bidder would win.

 

[CycloWizard]

Isn't feces a natural fertilizer? I see a lot of potential in making money. The government probably just dumps it in a landfill and leaves it at that.

After it's treated, it is sterile and still a good fertilizer. Most plants will give or sell it to local farmers to fertilize crops to save money, since it must otherwise be incinerated or landfilled. Still, even if it is used as a fertilizer, it can't be used to fertilize plants which will be used to feed humans - only plants which will feed animals. This is another arbitrary government rule gumming up the works, as this stuff is actually edible (though I doubt it tastes good).

 

[JSt0rm]

There are plenty of ways. The basic premise, as with any deal, is that a company would give you a price for service (or a rate per volume) and you would pick the company you want. Alternatively, cities would hold an auction for a contract for management of the city sewer system and/or wastewater treatment facilities for a predefined amount of time, and the lowest bidder would win.

ok that finally makes sense. I don't care if you are the crowned prince of ass explosions building multiple sewer systems leading into every apartment and office in nyc is more expensive then giving raises to some high school drop outs.

 

[Circlenaut]

I for one would not want to piss off the sewer workers in my city. Let them have their wage increase.

 

[dank69]

Continuing where I left off...

...

But, since you answered one of my questions, I'll answered yours simply to attempt to keep the discussion moving: my original proposal does not require the construction of a second sewer. My initial proposal was simply to privatize the sewer system. As someone else already stated, this might be done in any number of ways, including allowing annual bidding to determine which company will manage the existing sewer system for a year. Thus, all of the rest of the BS in this thread is simply a diversion which I unfortunately followed.

Ah, but I wasn't asking about your original proposal, I was asking about your design. Another deflection to avoid answering my question directly, you should run for office.

If you understood what I was saying, then you would have agreed with me. Assuming that you are a rational, thinking person.

Privatizing the system would ensure that workers are paid a wage that corresponds to the market realities of the sewer system rather than some completely arbitrary government guidelines subject to the whims of politics. Whether or not it would be cheaper for the customer is hard to say.

While I agree a privatized system would be a good way to determine proper wages it is highly illogical to think that it will ever happen. You are adding profit to the system and that alone would drive the costs through the roof. How much profit do you think it would take to make any corporation even consider taking on that contract? So just stating 'simply privatize' might as well be stating 'simply wave a magic wand.'

That being said...

Now, with that out of the way, maybe you can tell me how a fair wage may be ascertained for workers in a monopoly which does not have to break even. Comparing wages with another monopoly which does not have to break even is not a valid method, as the workers in this second system are paid on a similarly arbitrary basis. Furthermore, the sewer systems of NYC and LA are completely different for many reasons which I will not go into now, but even if they were both private, competitive, and had to turn a profit, a simple wage comparison would still not provide a valid basis.

I don't know why you think the government just pulls arbitrary numbers out of the air. Do you really believe that there is no research that goes into these types of things?

Yes, you're right. You've got me pegged: I'm ignorant trailer trash who has no idea what he's talkin' bout and never seen the big city. Or, I wrote a masters thesis on wastewater treatment, got a PhD in chemical engineering, and was recently a visiting professor at University of Oxford while acting as a consultant for the Royal Academy on how to run new sewer lines through London and Oxford without compromising the structure of ancient structures there. It's anyone's guess, really.

edit: Or you could just ask the mods to check where I was posting from for the entire month of January 2010 and throw out all the guessing. Pick your poison.

Well you wrote it on the internet so it must be true, but unfortunately everyone on the internet has an IQ of 147 and a 9" penis so you aren't impressing anyone.

 

[CycloWizard]

ok that finally makes sense. I don't care if you are the crowned prince of ass explosions building multiple sewer systems leading into every apartment and office in nyc is more expensive then giving raises to some high school drop outs.

Each company would build its own if it wanted to compete in the market. That's how a market works. I know it's a lot to wrap your head around, but it's not that complicated for the rest of us. Oh, all of this was stated back in the first few pages of this thread. If you weren't such a self-righteous idiot, you might have noticed that and saved yourself a good deal of embarrassment later on.

 

[Brainonska511]

Each company would build its own if it wanted to compete in the market. That's how a market works. I know it's a lot to wrap your head around, but it's not that complicated for the rest of us. Oh, all of this was stated back in the first few pages of this thread. If you weren't such a self-righteous idiot, you might have noticed that and saved yourself a good deal of embarrassment later on.

Too bad you haven't noticed the irony of your statement yet.

The market is all fine and dandy, but certain things, like roads, public utilities, etc are not well controlled by the market. It's just the way things work.

The whole idea to build an entire, competing sewer system under Manhattan is just inane and sort of irrelevant to giving workers a COL increase, which is 10 years overdue.

 

[JSt0rm]

Each company would build its own if it wanted to compete in the market.

my god you are dumb.

 

[sandorski]

my god you are dumb.

Ideologically Driven would be the more polite term.

 

[EagleKeeper]

What they should do is authorized an external company to come in for a set period to run the system. After 10 years, another bid is let for a 10 year period. Keeps rates down via some semblance of competition.

However, the city must be able to not turn the contract into a kickback or political plum setup.

 

[CycloWizard]

Too bad you haven't noticed the irony of your statement yet.

The market is all fine and dandy, but certain things, like roads, public utilities, etc are not well controlled by the market. It's just the way things work.

The whole idea to build an entire, competing sewer system under Manhattan is just inane and sort of irrelevant to giving workers a COL increase, which is 10 years overdue.

How do you know they aren't well controlled by the market? When have we tried such an experiment in this country? Lots of states are selling or leasing turnpikes and utilities now because they can't run them efficiently enough to make ends meet. Just because that's the way things have always been doesn't mean it's the way things should be.

 

[CycloWizard]

my god you are dumb.

Tell me why I'm dumb. Please. It should be simple for someone of your mental caliber.

 

[CycloWizard]

Continuing where I left off...

Ah, but I wasn't asking about your original proposal, I was asking about your design. Another deflection to avoid answering my question directly, you should run for office.

If you want a design from a consultant, you pay for the design. The only design I have mentioned in this thread was one which took sewage from a house and sent it to the selected company's main. I already posted it. If you want to tell me why won't work, feel free.

While I agree a privatized system would be a good way to determine proper wages it is highly illogical to think that it will ever happen. You are adding profit to the system and that alone would drive the costs through the roof. How much profit do you think it would take to make any corporation even consider taking on that contract? So just stating 'simply privatize' might as well be stating 'simply wave a magic wand.'

It's "illogical" to implement a system which is admittedly a good solution to the problem? Really? Are you a politician by any chance?

That being said...

I don't know why you think the government just pulls arbitrary numbers out of the air. Do you really believe that there is no research that goes into these types of things?

Please find any research to support your claim. If you can, I'll believe you.

Well you wrote it on the internet so it must be true, but unfortunately everyone on the internet has an IQ of 147 and a 9" penis so you aren't impressing anyone.

As I mentioned, I'm sure the mods can pull my IP address from January and prove it. In any case, it doesn't make any difference. You have yet to even challenge any of my technical ideas, and your "challenges" to my policy proposals have been a joke. The best you have done thus far is to say that my policy would be good, but is illogical at the same time. I think that is the equivalent of a mushroom stamp with my 9" e-penis.