Seti_Enhanced officially launced. (update3)

Rattledagger

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Hi Everybody,

We've finally gottent to the point where we can attempt limited (few thousand per day) distribution of the Enhanced application in the main project! We will probably start in the next couple days.

The job's not entirely done. We still have to figure out the Windows 98 timer problem and watch to make sure there's not a systemic problem with reading JPEG files.

Thanks for all your help, and please stay tuned for AstroPulse.

Eric Korpela
Some updated info:
Sorry for the confusion regarding the release of enhanced. The release of enhanced will happen slowly and in a random fashion so as not to use up too much of our bandwidth at once. It will probably take a month or more for this initial release to get out to all the machines out there.

The enhanced application uses different workunits and generates different results than the standard application. If you run the enhanced client on a workunit built for the standard application (or vice vera) you will get a result that will not validate, and therefore you probably won't get credit.

If you are running with the anonymous platform mechanism you will need to add a separate <app_info> element for the enhanced application.

Work will continue to be distributed fpr the normal SETI@home application, with the ratio of enhanced vs normal work slowly being increased over time until the normal application is phased out.

Latest News:
May 4, 2006
We've started distributing work for a new version of SETI@home called SETI@home Enhanced.

And the linked text:
On May 3, 2006 we started distributing work for a new version of SETI@home called "SETI@home Enhanced". This new version is a factor of two more sensitive to Gaussian signals and to some kinds of pulsed signals than the original SETI@home. There is a cost to this increased sensitivity in terms of the extra analysis requiring more computing power. But thanks to the efforts of some SETI@home volunteers, this new application has been optimized to the point where it will run faster on some workunits than earlier versions. However some workunits (the best workunits, scientifically speaking) will take significantly longer. Here are the answers to some questions you may have.


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How do I get SETI@home Enhanced?
You don't have to do anything in order to get the new version. BOINC will download it automatically when you are given work to be done by the new version. We are releasing this work slowly, because the new version is fairly large, and we don't want to use up all of our bandwidth with downloads of the new application.

When will I get SETI@home Enhanced?
Because we are proceeding slowly it may take up to a month to distribute the new version to everyone.

Will I notice a difference when I get the new version?
There's not much visual difference between the new version and the previous version. The only differences are that the title above the data analysis section has been changed to "SETI@home Enhanced" and the location at which the data has been taken has been added to the workunit information display. You will probably notice a change in the amount of time needed to process the data. The range of processing times are far more variable than previous versions were.


Should I cancel the work units I am currently working on?
Please don't. It's likely you will more work for the standard SETI@home before you get work for SETI@home Enhanced.

Can I download the Enhanced application manually and run it on the work units I already have?
The Enhanced application generated different results than the standard application. If you run SETI@home Enhanced on work designed for the standard app, your results won't compare with the other results for that work unit, your work will be marked invalid, and you won't get credit for your work.

Will credits change with the new version?
The new version grants credits in a slightly different fashion than the old version. Credits are now based upon the actual number of floating point operations done rather than by multiplying the benchmark results by the time taken. That means that there will be a much smaller spread in the claimed credits than with the standard version. Some computers may get more credit per hour than before, some may get less.

Will my current credits go away?
No.

Will optimized versions be available?
Yes. The source code is available under the terms of the GPL, so people who want specifically optimized versions can build them and distribute them. Because SETI@home links with other libraries released under the GPL, we need to be more strict in how we enforce the terms of the license. People who distribute optimized versions must include copies of the files README, COPYING, COPYRIGHT, and AUTHORS with the binaries they distribute. If the distributors of optimized versions modify the source code of SETI@home, they must make the modified source code available as well. If you set up SETI@home Enhanced using the http://BOINC anonymous platform mechanism it is important that you use "setiathome_enhanced" as the application name.


Please note, for the "flops-counting" to work and therefore correctly claim credits, you need to use BOINC "core" client v5.2.6 or later.
 

RobertE

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Sweet. Long overdue.

Simple but unpopular solution to the W98 problem. Stop supporting it.
 

petrusbroder

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Originally posted by: RobertE
Sweet. Long overdue.

Simple but unpopular solution to the W98 problem. Stop supporting it.

:) LOL :D
For myself: I agree.
But there are quite a few Win9* out there ... still ...
Thanks for the info, Rattledagger! :)
 

Rattledagger

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Originally posted by: RobertE
Simple but unpopular solution to the W98 problem. Stop supporting it.

Hmm, a quick look on BoincSynergy reveals 2.3% of computers is win9x, and based on RAC win9x is responsible for 0.69% of production...

So, it wouldn't really be a big problem for the project to dump win9x-support...


Anyway, anyone that gets hit by the bug, as long asdoesn't stop the wu after started, it doesn't matter that it AFAIK will be reported with zero seconds cpu-time since Seti_Enhanced doesn't rely on the BOINC-benchmark anyway to decide claimed credit, but instead "counts flops".

The only requirement for the "flops-counting" in Seti_Enhanced to work is that runs BOINC v5.2.6 or later.
 

amdxborg

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Thanx for the info RD! :D

When Seti Enhanced gets going will it replace the current one and be downloaded in it's place? Oh and where on the Seti site can I see what's happening with SE?
 

Rattledagger

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Originally posted by: amdxborg
When Seti Enhanced gets going will it replace the current one and be downloaded in it's place? Oh and where on the Seti site can I see what's happening with SE?
If you're running "normal" SETI@Home, the new Seti_Enhanced-application will automatically be downloaded as needed.

But, if you on the other hand is using optimized/self-compiled seti-application, you must either delete app_info.xml, or update it to also include info about Seti_Enhanced and manually download the neccessary files.


While it's not expected to be enforced, it's also highly recommended to run BOINC-client v5.2.6 or later, so the "flops-counting" works correctly. As long as it's v5.2.6 or later, it doesn't matter if you're running an "optimized" BOINC-client or not, but please remember v5.3.1 is actually older than v5.2.6 so should be updated...

As for what is happening, don't know, but would guess 1st. indication would be when a new splitter gets added to the status-page

 

BobDaMenkey

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Hm, bummer, after I get all but one of my 7 (maybe 9, need more parts and to figure out an issue with heatsinks) comptuers running Optimized clients.
 

Assimilator1

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Originally posted by: RobertE
Sweet. Long overdue.

Simple but unpopular solution to the W98 problem. Stop supporting it.

Well that would cut my mum off then :p ,& yea she's in our team ;)
She doesn't have enough RAM atm to run XP.

 

petrusbroder

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Thanks for the update, Rattledagger. :)
I know what I will do the coming week end: change all the optimized clients from the old version to the new ... ;)
 

RobertE

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I'm going to give this a shot and see if it works. Going to try and use both an optimized standard app & enahnced at the same time. May work or it may melt down my computers. We shall see.

Anyway, here is a cut-n-paste of the app_info I'm going to use taken from here.


I got the enhanced app from here and the dll from here

Anyway I'm going to give it a try. If you want to give it a shot go ahead.

*Disclaimer: If you try this I assume no responsibility if your boxes blow up, house burns down, kids goldfish is belly up by morning or anything else bad that may happen. If it works great for you, feel free to sing my praises. ;)

edit: removed app_info paste due to all the WUs blowing up on me. Again YMMV greatly.
 

TAandy

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I've got an enhanced one :)

One out of 17!!

Edit:
Sorry, 2 out of 17 :D
 

RobertE

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Not sure if its just bad WUs or something else, but the app_info I posted above while working produces errors on enhanced. I have removed it and will see what happens. So be very careful if you try the method in the above post.
 

Shuxclams

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This is reeking havoc on my shruken fleet..... I was using the crunch3r enhanced and now every single one of them is balking on new WU's.... this is a drag.





SHUX
 

Shuxclams

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Letting it run on without the optimised clients - 3-4 times longer to finish the enhanced?








SHUX
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Thanks RD.

Running enhanced version now:

5/7/2006 1:47:27 PM|SETI@home|Starting result 26fe99aa.5731.5553.742326.3.94_3 using setiathome_enhanced version 512

I'm back on board.

My machine has turned in it's first Enhanced SETI WU.