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Doc Brown

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Originally posted by: amdxborg
Like I said, I can't believe they can just go and shutdown the servers with the ammount of user active in this project right now. If they were working for me, volunteers or not, I would have fired their asses a long time ago! They had the whole weekend to sort out the ups cable issue... Man I have worked weekends and nights to sort out issues far less importand then that!!! They should get their act together or stop pretending they're able to run this project!

I hope they set a date in stone ... Seti is getting OLD ... waiting for machines to do nothing ... 24/7 and then NOT connecting for hours .... I am really getting pi$$ed ... This $hit sucks ...
 

lane42

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Seti BOINC is worse. I got a couple wu's uploaded but nothing down. I have about 70 or 80 wu's to upload by the 12th or i lose them :|
 

Rattledagger

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Latest from SETI@home for BOINC:
March 7, 2005
All services are up and graceful shutdown in case of a power outage is in place.

This most likely should be the same for "classic"...




BTW, the Assimilator in BOINC have been off since the 1st power-outage.

The normal progress through BOINC's back-end services is this:
1; Wait for 3 "success"-results, trigger Validation.
2; When wu Validated, credit and trigger Assimilator.
3; Assimilator takes the "canonical result" and copies to the master science database.
4; Waits till all results is either reported and tried validated, or past their deadline.
5; File_deleter removes all wu-files and result-files for this wu from upload/download-directories.

For this reason, any results returned later can't be validated.
But, any results returned before file_deleter is run will be tried validated as normal, regardless of past their deadline or not.


With Assimilator off, this means file_deleter can't run for any wu validated after assimilator turned off. :cool:
 

Unforgiven

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if anyone else is in need, please feel free to connect to the queue listed in my sig! the more the merrier!
 

kamper

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It sort of looks like things are easing up. Smoke's page is still pulling stats so I assume that means the servers are staying on tonight. As a team we've already put over 5k through on the GMT day which is obviously some backup starting to push through.
 

Assimilator1

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One of the TA members has the Heinlein quote in his sig about "keeping all your eggs in one basket".. there is NO reason why Berkeley couldn't have partnered up with another big university on say the East Coast or another country to provide some redundancy capability for a project of this magnitude, no reason whatsoever.

Whilst I totally agree with you that they should have back up elsewhere ,there is one highly likely reason why they haven't ,cost!

From S@Hs site

SETI@home is a nonprofit educational and research organization that relies heavily on donations to continue its work. Any level of support is greatly appreciated.

How your donation is spent
Most of our budget goes to pay the salaries of students and staff members. Other expenses include travel to Arecibo and conferences, network bandwidth, hardware maintenance, and one-time purchases like the air conditioner in our machine room. Almost none of our budget is spent on hardware (desktop and server computers, disks, tapes, telescope electronics etc.); these items have been generously donated by corporate sponsors.
 

JWMiddleton

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It appears that the log jam is broken. I had over 300 results to send when I went to bed and now they are all gone! :) I have gained 7 places in the worldwide rankings, which means others did not have the backlog of WUs to keep them going.

I wonder how many have given up on SETI and/or BOINC due to this bump in the road? Guess we will see it in the stats over the next few days.
 

zaph

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Give up!!!????
bah, whats a roadtrip without a few bumps along the way. :)

out of my fleet of 8 i only had one run out of Boinc wu's, and that was less than 8 hours before berkeley came back on line.

Just think of the nice, fat jump in stats we'll all have ;)

 

Smoke

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Since last night my Q has turned in over 1,000 WUs. It has over 1,900 WUs left to go. Looks like it will take over 24 hours to clear up if the Servers at Berk stay online.

I have made arrangements to get a little more redundancy (capacity to weather these bad times) but it won't be fully in place until all of my RESULTS are cleared out. ;)

I believe we are going to see more of the same before CLASSIC ends and BOINC takes over as the primary platform. So I'm battening down the hatches. :D
 

Unforgiven

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if you arent already a member of a TeAmmates queue, i suggest you look into it early so you can be prepared for future outages!
 

networkman

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Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Whilst I totally agree with you that they should have back up elsewhere ,there is one highly likely reason why they haven't ,cost!

From S@Hs site

SETI@home is a nonprofit educational and research organization that relies heavily on donations to continue its work. Any level of support is greatly appreciated.

How your donation is spent
Most of our budget goes to pay the salaries of students and staff members. Other expenses include travel to Arecibo and conferences, network bandwidth, hardware maintenance, and one-time purchases like the air conditioner in our machine room. Almost none of our budget is spent on hardware (desktop and server computers, disks, tapes, telescope electronics etc.); these items have been generously donated by corporate sponsors.


Really a lot of you guys should already know all this :p

Oh gee - and here I thought we were under the impression that it was all the work of VOLUNTEERS keeping the project running?!? :Q :disgust: No indeed.. got all those salaries of students and staff members to pay.. so oh darn, there's not much money for the hardware. :roll:

At least something good has come of this - we're no longer under the mistaken impression of volunteers running the project's servers and databases.
 

lane42

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Most of our budget goes to pay the salaries of students and staff members,

Thats also news to me.... I didn't think they payed anyone.
 

amdxborg

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Yeah well, at least from now on we won't have to keep telling ourselfs that to feel better about the problems...
 

Unforgiven

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i hope that someone either got a dock in pay or their a$$ canned after this latest debacle! no one should be paid for that pathetic performance in network administration.
 

JWMiddleton

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Originally posted by: emjem
Originally posted by: JWMiddleton
I have gained 7 places in the worldwide rankings.......

Where are you seeing this? I've been watching Top 1000 and haven't seen an update since 2/23.


I use SetiSpy and simply clicked the Update button on the User Stats page. You would get the same thing from your stats at Berkeley. This morning I am at 475, so it must have been my fast dump that gave me the bump.
 

Assimilator1

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Originally posted by: networkman
Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Whilst I totally agree with you that they should have back up elsewhere ,there is one highly likely reason why they haven't ,cost!

From S@Hs site

SETI@home is a nonprofit educational and research organization that relies heavily on donations to continue its work. Any level of support is greatly appreciated.

How your donation is spent
Most of our budget goes to pay the salaries of students and staff members. Other expenses include travel to Arecibo and conferences, network bandwidth, hardware maintenance, and one-time purchases like the air conditioner in our machine room. Almost none of our budget is spent on hardware (desktop and server computers, disks, tapes, telescope electronics etc.); these items have been generously donated by corporate sponsors.

Oh gee - and here I thought we were under the impression that it was all the work of VOLUNTEERS keeping the project running?!? :Q :disgust: No indeed.. got all those salaries of students and staff members to pay.. so oh darn, there's not much money for the hardware. :roll:

At least something good has come of this - we're no longer under the mistaken impression of volunteers running the project's servers and databases.

Well I must admit ,I've confused myself now! lol,I too thought,still think that the main small group of people who run S@H are volunteers :confused:

I give up
 

OhioDude

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You mean people are actually getting paid to work there?!?!? :Q Heinous!!!!! :|

I'll bet all of those folks are pulling down six figures and just look at the shoddy job they do, too! I don't care that the power outages aren't the S@H people's fault.

I refuse to donate my computer time to any DC project where staff actually get paid for their time. I expect all of those folks to work all day every day, including weekends, for free to make sure those machines stay up so I can get my stats!

Come on, folks. Lighten up. :p
 

Assimilator1

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Originally posted by: OhioDude
You mean people are actually getting paid to work there?!?!? :Q Heinous!!!!! :|

I'll bet all of those folks are pulling down six figures and just look at the shoddy job they do, too! I don't care that the power outages aren't the S@H people's fault.

I refuse to donate my computer time to any DC project where staff actually get paid for their time. I expect all of those folks to work all day every day, including weekends, for free to make sure those machines stay up so I can get my stats!

Come on, folks. Lighten up. :p

lol ;)
 

lane42

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I think the guy's on the left coast are doing a great job with this project. In the almost 6 years i'am running Seti it's almost never down :thumbsup:. The only 2 others that do a better job with Seti is Hellburner ad OhioDude :D