seti: contributions from other teams

[kloostec]

This is the official thread for following the development of the contributions from other teams to the seti project.

Here's the outstanding questions that I need answered:

1) How are we going to track relative processor speeds?

An hour's worth of time from a 3 GHz processor is worth more than an hour from a P166, so we will need some sort of table to track the relative speeds.

Or we could have a formula for each "type" of processor (p3, p4, athlon, pm, etc) and calculate a rating for each one

2) How should we track what each person contributes?

Probably something like adding a rig and entering its speed and hours per day...

3) How should we keep track of users?

Probably user/pass login (possibly with a field for what seti username they're contributing to)

4) Which project is owed to?

I need a list of projects that people are migrating boxes from to track which projects need repayment.

Anything else I should think about?

 

[Electrode]

1) How are we going to track relative processor speeds?

Megahertz hours. One hour of crunching on a 1 MHz CPU is one MHzh. Perhaps AMD XP/MP and Hammer CPUs should get a ~600 MHzh bonus.

One hour on a 3 GHz Northwood: 3000 MHzh
One hour on a 2 GHz Barton: 2600 MHzh
One hour on a 2 GHz G4 Mac: 2000 MHzh

2) How should we track what each person contributes?

Just WUs would be nice, but since many are joining mini-teams that's out, so just calculate total MHzh for each computer.

3) How should we keep track of users?

Your suggestion is as good as any.

4) Which project is owed to?

Each box entered into a user's score should have it's normal project associated with it.

 

[kloostec]

1) I'll just get athlon/a64 users to put in the xxxx+ rating. That almost equals out to your 600 MHzh bonus in most cases. Not quite sure for opteron/athlon fx users... maybe just a chart beside the box of the appropriate number to put in...

2) Yeah, I'll do it with MHzh

3) I'll get on that

4) I'll set up some preliminary reports. We'll have to see about graphs and pretty stuff... I'm not sure how much time I'll be able to devote here.

URL for work in progress (none yet, but soon): http://qbranch.gavintech.com/seti/ . If I grow outside of the bounds of a home DSL line (hopefully I won't 😉 ) then I'll move it to my production server.

 

[D347h]

To the 3)
I think it's important to use your SETI username, and write it so script can count your WUs.. That's will really prove how many other DC's gave to SETI..

Hey, I registered and get my pass... Where to enter it?

 

[kloostec]

That part isn't done yet. I have actually been clearing the user table regularily, so you actually haven't registered yet. I will be announcing here when the page is ready to be used. Any time before that, assume the data is going to be deleted.

 

[kloostec]

Oh yeah... the only problem with the seti username thing is that people will be contributing to common teams, so that isn't going to work... Plus I don't know how to get the WUs from Seti@Home.

 

[soni]

I have all data for each user in my stats page.
Feel free to use them. 😛

Both http://www.soni.dk and http://seti.soni.dk have the same stats, both shown in different ways 🙂

 

[SlangNRox]

Since there has been so much talk about people finding other projects to work on after seti ends I assumed that the other projects would hopefully gain new members that have left seti. Since there was so much negative talk about BOINC, I hope that this will be the case. I am not really looking for a cpu for cpu trade for pulling my pc off of sob to crunch seti, but it would be nice if some seti members decided to work on sob once seti ends. It just seems like there are too many people involved to do a strict trade of cpu time.

 

[kloostec]

I think it's more of just guidelines, anyway 😉

I'm sure some seti users will spread to all projects after seti is done. I'm personally hoping some convert to UD!

 

[kloostec]

I've got the database totally built, plus auth and account signup working. It's safe to sign up for an account now, I won't be clobbering that table any more. I've started a bit on some of the additional forms (like adding rigs and contributions), but I haven't linked them yet.

Be gentle to the code, I'm expecting that we're all part of the same happy family here 😉 I have put in minimal error checking code. I am still purging strings and obvious things like that, though.

For those security conscious people out there:

- I don't have SSL on my development server, so there's no https login.
- passwords are stored in the database as MySQL PASSWORD encrypted strings

I will be releasing source (either MIT X11 or GPL, not sure yet) plus DB schema once the project is a little further along.

Enough for tonight.

 

[BlackMountainCow]

I got to agree with SlangNRox

As long as some ppl join ClimatePrediction.Net, F@H or DPAD after SETI ends I'm fine. I mean, hey, we are a team!!! And this hour/cycle/all-tracked-stats thing is surely a nice thing, but it is is abit strange for me. The TeAm is built on trust.

Just take my case: amdxborg :beer: just donated me a 30k DPAD results file cause I lost mine due to a bad upload.

That's the spirit of this forum and DC team. So I think that we'll be fine after SETI ends anyways. But keep your project going, it's not bad at all. I just think it's not really necessary. That's all 🙂

 

[CyGoR]

Hi Kloostec,

I'm very curious to the result of your nice plans..
Especially the smaller project could most benefit from this, since switching a system to Seti will
cause there team to lose lots of production.. (Luckely UD runs just fine with Seti)
But like others said, it's a little more profitable to get more (producing) members to the different projects..
So maybe I'll need some help, but I'll work on a peace of text to post when the end of Seti one is close
to get us some more members to the UD project.. Hopefully then my stats page (new version) is also online
to satisfy all those seti stats freaks 😛😉

But whatever happens, we need to continue the help to the seti team.. 🙂
Nice work Kloostec...

 

[SNC]

Originally posted by: BlackMountainCow
I got to agree with SlangNRox

As long as some ppl join ClimatePrediction.Net, F@H or DPAD after SETI ends I'm fine. I mean, hey, we are a team!!! And this hour/cycle/all-tracked-stats thing is surely a nice thing, but it is is abit strange for me. The TeAm is built on trust.

Just take my case: amdxborg :beer: just donated me a 30k DPAD results file cause I lost mine due to a bad upload.

That's the spirit of this forum and DC team. So I think that we'll be fine after SETI ends anyways. But keep your project going, it's not bad at all. I just think it's not really necessary. That's all 🙂

I agree with you that there will be a lot of SETI members moving to other projects. I think the main concern is that there be no one left out. If there are a lot of FaD members that donate time but only a couple people mover over there after SETI ends it would not be fair. I really think that we need a way to make sure that we repay at least what we got. I wouldnt want any TeAm to "think" that they got shorted in any way shape or form. Or worse yet actualy get shorted. The only way to do that is to keep track of what was donated. Not to keep people honest, but to give people a # to shoot for. That way people can look and see what need done. A punch list if you will. I for one have a DC project that I will be moving to. But if there is a DCP that needs a little help being repaid I want to know. We need a place to go for that info. Long winded and with a ton of spelling errors, but my $0.02.

 

[D347h]

BMC, he does it only because his minirace is frozen 😉 j/k

However, some of SETI apls may end fun with DC after SeTi1 ends.. So what? Do we really need to count how much members from each DC's done for SETI ?? If DPAD and/or other projects ends, we would be joining SETI, without watching how many WU's you have crunched for us...

 

[BlackMountainCow]

Well, ok. I mean It would be a shame indeed if any DCP is shorted out. Imagine all SETI Classic guys joining SETI@BOINC right after ... that would not be a good thing. So yeah, I get your point SNC. Let's make that list to get an average idea of how many other DCPs have donated to SETI. But let's not make this some kind of a tribunal in the end where ppl are getting pointed at 'cause they didn't "repay" enough.

 

[rockyfort]

Please allow my $.02 worth as a newbie...

I don't have a real handle on all of the different projects available. I got into DC because of Chessbrain, I joined TA because of The Animal's invitation there. I came over here and found one other project that looked interesting: G@H. Apparently, that is not a real popular project. (At the time, according to the stats I could find, only two of us were working on it.) While I don't share a major interest in the SETI project, because I believe in the team concept, I kicked in my 3 or 4 WU's per day starting a couple of days ago.

When SETI I ends, I will be looking for a project that will a) demonstrate the power of DC, b) have a worthwhile purpose, and c) is a major concern of the team. It would help to have a one page rundown of all the projects the team is involved in, how many members are active on each project, and where we are in team competitions. (As a side note, why is it that my SETI stats are always at the bottom of the list of people with the same number of WUs when they are all inactive and I am active?)

I think the concept of knowing the WUs donated is great, but if I am understanding things correctly, WU's are different with each project, and it may be interesting to see the number of WU's from pet projects sacrificed. When I look to switch gears again, all of the above will weigh heavily in my decision.

Bob/rockyfort

 

[Smoke]

A snip from rockyfort's post, " .... (As a side note, why is it that my SETI stats are always at the bottom of the list of people with the same number of WUs when they are all inactive and I am active?)"

I'm not sure which stat site you are asking but it sounds like you are describing a sort where "Sort 1" is by # of WUs (Highest to Lowest) and "Sort 2" is by age (Oldest to Newest)?

If this is the stats site you are asking, then the sort is as I have described. 😉

 

[SNC]

Originally posted by: BlackMountainCow
Well, ok. I mean It would be a shame indeed if any DCP is shorted out. Imagine all SETI Classic guys joining SETI@BOINC right after ... that would not be a good thing. So yeah, I get your point SNC. Let's make that list to get an average idea of how many other DCPs have donated to SETI. But let's not make this some kind of a tribunal in the end where ppl are getting pointed at 'cause they didn't "repay" enough.

Exactly what I ment. I dont want any finger pointing ether. What I would like is a place where "some" people, the people that are activly asking other teams to give up some of there work for ours, can go to make sure that no one is getting shorted. I for one will spend the 4 or 5 months after SETI ends going from DCP to DCP to make sure they are "hooked up" right. Not everyone is going to switch DCPs after SETI ends. Not everyone is asking and not everyone should be responsible to repay. Most will just move to BOINK. So the repayment process will be left to a few, not the many.

 

[D347h]

Originally posted by: rockyfort
When SETI I ends, I will be looking for a project that will a) demonstrate the power of DC, b) have a worthwhile purpose, and c) is a major concern of the team. It would help to have a one page rundown of all the projects the team is involved in, how many members are active on each project, and where we are in team competitions.

I agree in 2004% !! The post on top (I mean this topic) is outdated and hard to update I think. It would be better to create simple PHP site, allow chosen people to edit it and have fresh, updating page..
Editing by account login, when you log on user account and have rights to edit your part [DC you are very active in].
Would such page hard to create? I don't know much about PHP 🙁

 

[Freewolf]

Some of us will do both boinc and other projects. Some of us are doing several projects already.
There is a team site just isn't much happening with it these days.

 

[rockyfort]

Originally posted by: Smoke
A snip from rockyfort's post, " .... (As a side note, why is it that my SETI stats are always at the bottom of the list of people with the same number of WUs when they are all inactive and I am active?)"

I'm not sure which stat site you are asking but it sounds like you are describing a sort where "Sort 1" is by # of WUs (Highest to Lowest) and "Sort 2" is by age (Oldest to Newest)?

If this is the stats site you are asking, then the sort is as I have described. 😉

Yup...that's the site. I may not have a whole lot, but I am active! It seems to me that "Sort 2" should be inverted to reflect a true picture of us up and coming newbies.
😉 If John has been working for 10 days, and Joe has achieved the same number in 5 days, that would give the impression that Joe would be leading the next day, eh?

Just a thought, with purely no self-interest or ego involved. 😛

Bob / rockyfort

Edit note: If I haven't said it, the site is great! I appreciate you doing it and pointing it out to me!

 

[kloostec]

Nice Thoreau... fake@email.address is your email huh? Now how are you going to get your password emailed to you 😛

I'm going to be working on the site more tonight. I've got the rig list working, but the data currently has to be manually entered into the database. I will work on adding rigs via a web form tonight, and maybe adding time units, too (if I get time).

 

[GunDog]

Even though I really belong to another team and brought some of my teammates over to TA. I will hang around and offer my systems any DC team that has/GOING TO pitch(ed) in for the TA Seti cause. I will crunch your DC in your teams name or teammember (if needed).
Sorry, if this seems abit incoherent, I'm really tired and under the weather.
1 Machine per DC? no problem. Your choice.

I have 3 Machine for your use, they run 24/7, except 2 hours per week for cleaning purposes.

Barton 2500+ @ 3200+ 512 Ram
XP 2100+ 512 Ram
Athlon 600 512 Ram

Lemme know whatcha think.

Force
aka Gundog

 

[kloostec]

Just a note... adding work units isn't working yet, and you will get a 404 if you attempt to go to that page.

 

[D347h]

Next time bold it if you didn't do it, LoL 😉 That would save me sending e-mails..
However, I think I need to read more carefully, lol...