Seth Abramson posts the most detailed summary of known Trump-Russia ties on Twitter. Drops Keyboard

[jackstar7]

For all Trump's faults, I see the Russian investigations moving forward uninhibited.

Comey says "Hey."

 

[Greenman]

Getting close to an admission of that.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-in-domestic-affairs-worldwide-idUSKBN1EC109

I would have assumed that every

And yet, curiously, not one of the Trump supporters has taken the time to even try to debunk one point of fact in this list.

Because they can't. All they can do is insult, deflect and project.

There is nothing to debunk. Some blogger decided that Trump has committed crimes, and lists them. So what? What is a Trump supporter supposed to do? Why expend any effort defending Trump? Do you think it will change a single mind? Trump already has a lawyer or two, let them defend him.
After all the grand standing and hand wringing is over, there will still need to be evidence of a crime, if that evidence is produced, congress will impeach him. Then he can be tried in the senate where the matter will be settled. That's how the system works.
I'm close to a Trump supporter in that between him and Hillary, I felt Trump was the cleanest end of the turd. I'm still not convinced that opinion was wrong, though it isn't looking very good at this point. That said, if Trump has committed crimes he should be impeached. But just like everyone else, he's entitled to a fair trial first. The feelings of some random blogger don't enter the equation, my personal desires don't enter the equation, and the fact that he's an ass doesn't enter the equation.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Comey says "Hey."

Fair point, although I am not sure Trump understands why he fired Comey.

The Mueller investigation presses forward uninhibited.

 

[dphantom]

Mueller will only ever find process errors in all likelihood. No criminal actions related to his charter.

 

[outriding]

Guilty plea for Manafort's money laundering over the last decade and a guilty plea for Flynn's lying to anyone and everyone? The team the size of the entire state of Rhode Island's AG office and that's what you get? Hard to get guilty pleas when everyone is given immunity.

You are missing a few


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Special_Counsel_investigation

 

[Meghan54]

Guilty plea for Manafort's money laundering over the last decade and a guilty plea for Flynn's lying to anyone and everyone? The team the size of the entire state of Rhode Island's AG office and that's what you get? Hard to get guilty pleas when everyone is given immunity.

Hyperbole much? Mueller's team as large as RI's AG's office? That's rich.

Unless Mueller hired a couple hundred people in the last four months, the last I saw reported was that there were ~3 dozen persons in Mueller's investigative unit, inclusive of its 16 lawyers.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/polit...ssia-trump-one-year-financial-ties/index.html


RI's AG's office is ~7X larger. ("more than" 230 as of 2016, according to the RI AG's 2016 Annual Report.)
http://www.riag.ri.gov/documents/2016AnnualReport.pdf

Hyperbole much?

 

[darkswordsman17]

To be fair, it does appear that Mueller will find the smoking gun within emails originating from a government server, and that Trump or members of his team will go down due to government transparency checks and balances that Clinton sought to evade.

What many fail to recognize is that many people never thought Clinton did anything criminal, it was more the arrogance and/or tone deafness to providing transparency.

For all Trump's faults, I see the Russian investigations moving forward uninhibited.

FYI, I hope you know that a lot of those emails were not official government record so your claim there is straight up wrong. Many of them (including the ones Don Jr released himself) were private emails, or at least not part of the official government, as, well they weren't in office yet. In fact, a lot of that, they had not even been elected yet. So, your claim is straight up false no matter how you try to spin it with bullshit.

No, what you fail to recognize is that there literally was not anything criminal about what Clinton did. It was stupid, but that type of behavior was sadly common among our government leaders. Furthermore, it was fucking ok'ed by the State Department, and the NSA (which knew Russia had infiltrated various government systems, including one at the White House), refused to help. Let that sink in, the government entity best versed in dealing with computer security refused to help our acting Secretary of State to secure their e-mail. And in spite of them literally calling for her to be put in prison over it, we have these shitheads doing the same thing, along with multitude of situations where they were caught bold-faced lying about things, then later admitting to it, often while telling further lies, that they then corrected, and then further lying about that. And that's the other thing you fail to recognize is that they weren't able to find fucking anything with regards to any of their claims against her. After literally over a hundred million dollars, the GOP has not been able to provide anything at all to support their claims against actual criminal behavior with regards to Hilary Clinton. Yet there's no money for CHIP?

For all your faults, and there's a whole helluva lot of them in just that post alone, you expose yourself for the willfully ignorant sycophant that you are.

 

[brycejones]

Hyperbole much? Mueller's team as large as RI's AG's office? That's rich.

Unless Mueller hired a couple hundred people in the last four months, the last I saw reported was that there were ~3 dozen persons in Mueller's investigative unit, inclusive of its 16 lawyers.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/polit...ssia-trump-one-year-financial-ties/index.html


RI's AG's office is ~7X larger. ("more than" 230 as of 2016, according to the RI AG's 2016 Annual Report.)
http://www.riag.ri.gov/documents/2016AnnualReport.pdf

Hyperbole much?

It isn't brandonbullshit's fault the talking point he got from newsforgullibleretards.com is wrong.

 

[Pens1566]

FYI, I hope you know that a lot of those emails were not official government record so your claim there is straight up wrong. Many of them (including the ones Don Jr released himself) were private emails, or at least not part of the official government, as, well they weren't in office yet. In fact, a lot of that, they had not even been elected yet. So, your claim is straight up false no matter how you try to spin it with bullshit.

No, what you fail to recognize is that there literally was not anything criminal about what Clinton did. It was stupid, but that type of behavior was sadly common among our government leaders. Furthermore, it was fucking ok'ed by the State Department, and the NSA (which knew Russia had infiltrated various government systems, including one at the White House), refused to help. Let that sink in, the government entity best versed in dealing with computer security refused to help our acting Secretary of State to secure their e-mail. And in spite of them literally calling for her to be put in prison over it, we have these shitheads doing the same thing, along with multitude of situations where they were caught bold-faced lying about things, then later admitting to it, often while telling further lies, that they then corrected, and then further lying about that. And that's the other thing you fail to recognize is that they weren't able to find fucking anything with regards to any of their claims against her. After literally over a hundred million dollars, the GOP has not been able to provide anything at all to support their claims against actual criminal behavior with regards to Hilary Clinton. Yet there's no money for CHIP?

For all your faults, and there's a whole helluva lot of them in just that post alone, you expose yourself for the willfully ignorant sycophant that you are.

The transition team emails Mueller got from GSA were on a ptt.gov domain hosted on govt. equipment with govt. IT warnings/disclosures. Any other emails you're referring to were requested by the special counsel and supposedly willingly turned over by the campaign.

 

[Starbuck1975]

FYI, I hope you know that a lot of those emails were not official government record so your claim there is straight up wrong. Many of them (including the ones Don Jr released himself) were private emails, or at least not part of the official government, as, well they weren't in office yet. In fact, a lot of that, they had not even been elected yet. So, your claim is straight up false no matter how you try to spin it with bullshit.

No, what you fail to recognize is that there literally was not anything criminal about what Clinton did. It was stupid, but that type of behavior was sadly common among our government leaders. Furthermore, it was fucking ok'ed by the State Department, and the NSA (which knew Russia had infiltrated various government systems, including one at the White House), refused to help. Let that sink in, the government entity best versed in dealing with computer security refused to help our acting Secretary of State to secure their e-mail. And in spite of them literally calling for her to be put in prison over it, we have these shitheads doing the same thing, along with multitude of situations where they were caught bold-faced lying about things, then later admitting to it, often while telling further lies, that they then corrected, and then further lying about that. And that's the other thing you fail to recognize is that they weren't able to find fucking anything with regards to any of their claims against her. After literally over a hundred million dollars, the GOP has not been able to provide anything at all to support their claims against actual criminal behavior with regards to Hilary Clinton. Yet there's no money for CHIP?

For all your faults, and there's a whole helluva lot of them in just that post alone, you expose yourself for the willfully ignorant sycophant that you are.

The cover up is always worst than the crime. What you fail to recognize or acknowledge is that there were forces at play to downplay the investigation and protect Clinton's candidacy at all costs. The damage control incompetence of her campaign cost her the election all due to self inflicted wounds. We now have access to text messages demonstrating that FBI agents very close to the investigation were team Clinton. That Comey felt compelled to break protocol just days before the election tells us everything we need to know about what was happening behind the scenes.

I am happy Comey took down Clinton . I will be equally happy when Mueller takes down Trump. The only sycophants I see are the Clinton water boys who endlessly make excuses for her.

Wasn't her turn. Not the right candidate.

 

[SMOGZINN]

FYI, I hope you know that a lot of those emails were not official government record so your claim there is straight up wrong.

Any email sent over government email systems is an official government record. You have to agree to this when you get the account.

 

[blackangst1]

Im assuming Meuller doesnt know about these since no charges have been filed yet.

 

[Commodus]

Im assuming Meuller doesnt know about these since no charges have been filed yet.

Or, he's working systematically up the chain so that he has an airtight case if he goes up against Trump or any of his closest associates. That's been the MO so far: Mueller has been securing indictments and testimony in such a way that they get others to talk, or show whether or not someone's being honest. You don't aim for the highest-ranking people in an organization until you're absolutely sure the charges will stick, because if you blow that opportunity you might never get a second.

 

[mikeymikec]

Fair point, although I am not sure Trump understands why he fired Comey.

Ok... I would have thought it was rather obvious, and the only reason I've ever heard that stands up to any scrutiny: He did it to impede the Russia investigation, and no, it doesn't appear to have worked.

I realise that many Trump supporters will then say "but Trump said...", but then their continued support is based on believing pretty much anything he says.

 

[mikeymikec]

There is nothing to debunk.

And with that, the OP disappeared in a puff of logic.

 

[blackangst1]

Or, he's working systematically up the chain so that he has an airtight case if he goes up against Trump or any of his closest associates. That's been the MO so far: Mueller has been securing indictments and testimony in such a way that they get others to talk, or show whether or not someone's being honest. You don't aim for the highest-ranking people in an organization until you're absolutely sure the charges will stick, because if you blow that opportunity you might never get a second.

Maybe, maybe not. As of right now all we've got is speculation. So, we choose the speculative story we want to believe. We'll see.

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe, maybe not. As of right now all we've got is speculation. So, we choose the speculative story we want to believe. We'll see.

I struggle to find why Mueller would give such a good deal to Flynn unless he gave him solid information against Kushner, Trump, or multiple other cabinet members. It just doesn't make sense otherwise. What we do know about Flynn is this:

1) Mueller almost certainly could have charged him with a LOT more than he did.
2) If Mueller couldn't have charged him with more, why wouldn't Flynn take his chances on this one charge and look for Trump to pardon him?
3) If Flynn didn't have anything good to give on higher ups (and there aren't many higher up than the National Security Adviser) why would Mueller accept his plea?

There might be something I'm missing, but I can't see a situation where Flynn pleads guilty to only one of many charges and Mueller accepts it unless Flynn's got something good.

 

[blackangst1]

I struggle to find why Mueller would give such a good deal to Flynn unless he gave him solid information against Kushner, Trump, or multiple other cabinet members. It just doesn't make sense otherwise. What we do know about Flynn is this:

1) Mueller almost certainly could have charged him with a LOT more than he did.
2) If Mueller couldn't have charged him with more, why wouldn't Flynn take his chances on this one charge and look for Trump to pardon him?
3) If Flynn didn't have anything good to give on higher ups (and there aren't many higher up than the National Security Adviser) why would Mueller accept his plea?

There might be something I'm missing, but I can't see a situation where Flynn pleads guilty to only one of many charges and Mueller accepts it unless Flynn's got something good.

And I agree. Theres just alot we dont know right now, but, like you, Im anxious to see this come to completion.

 

[Thebobo]

Mine are going to work out very well. This tax bill is the best thing since the Reagan cuts in the 80s. So I am ecstatic over this. BTW, I sit firmly in slightly upper middle class income.

Why do you hate what the majority of americans like and like what the majority of americans don't like?