Nah.. I should update my sig but I jump back and forth from 1 GIG to 2 GIGS. Maybe if I sing to my 1800XT it would co-operate and spit out more FPS. I know I've tried everything else...
A while ago I had plans to buy one, but all of the games I'm waiting for have been delayed several months into 2007. I can afford a GTX but considering the types of games I'm playing these days (5-7 year old stuff), it would do next to nothing over my existing card even with the settings turned up. 
Becsause my current machine is 28 months old, is showing signs of its age in the newer games, and I want something new to play with
Currently I have a 7900GTO and already submitted to evga step up. Infact I already got approved because I was probably 3rd in line. Am I going to fork over 400 dollars for the new GTX?......nope...I think I'm going to keep my GTO. (I submitted the request because I was excited about the G80, then I slap myself awake cause it's a freaken $650 card!) Honestly I really can't justify a small increase in IQ on my 1080p westinghouse for a 60%+ decrease in FPS....so I never bothered with doing all that 16aa nonsense. The poster is right, there's really no reason to jump on the G80 wagon just yet...especially if you have a decent sub 300 dollar card already. I'm not too sure how "future proof" the G80 is because there are no DX10 games out. I remember when I purchased the Geforce 3 the minute it came out for "future proof", and then just to see it fail miserably when actual DX8.1 games came out (vs the TI 4400 or even the 9700pro). I say wait for the refresh.
apoppin
Lifer
because they can
yes
and they do NOT have to give ANY explanation 'why' to anyone else nor do they have to "justify" their purchase to anyone but themselves and perhaps their possible Sig other..
and they will decide if they made a 'good' choice or not when they pay the bill and play their games . . .
i'd get one if i wanted it
I was looking at this same question a few days ago, so I searched eBay for 7900GTOs. They are actually selling for some decent scratch right now, even used (usually over $250). I would say that if you haven't registered it with EVGA, you could get more than you paid for it. However, then you have to worry about your buyer being honest too. Btw, if you decide to sell it on eBay, do your own research. Don't take my word for it since the climate may be changing rapidly after the 8800 release. I decided not to eBay my GTO since I've registered it with EVGA. That would keep the new owner from being able to step up and probably reduce the selling price.
In regards to the OP... I bought a new rig early last month, a few days after the 7900GTOs hit the market. I went with EVGA with the intention on stepping up to an 8800. I have about 56 days left to step up. EVGA's prices on their website are currently about the same as the major retailers. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the prices drop by about $50 within two weeks from the retailers, but I expect EVGA's prices to remain where they are for a while. I'm mostly just waiting to hear more of the overclocking results from the two cards. I know an OC'd GTS is pretty close to a stock clocked GTX. I just want to see how great the difference is with both of them overclocked. Once that question is settled to my satisfaction, I'll probably jump in the step up queue. It's a shame in a way. My GTO is a pretty sweet card in its own right.
Aikouka
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Because my 6800GT would drop below 30FPS while gaming and I didn't like it. I also do NOT buy "old tech" as I see it as a waste of money to buy something old that'll end up disappointing me when I see all the better items I could've bought if I wouldn't have been so cheap.
Yes, like someone else said, I "work hard for the money" and I treat myself right.
Now, here's the humdinger of a question... I get my new 8800GTX today. Problem is, I guesstimated with the rest of my parts and hoped they'd ship from NewEgg's NJ warehouse. Nope, they shipped from California and I knew I should've ordered them a day earlier. I should've put them on separate orders since the case (the most expensive to ship) shipped from NJ and 3-day gets it to me in 1 day. So if I put the cheaper shipping stuff in a separate order and set it to 2-day, I would've been fine. It's actually kind of easy to do since NewEgg tells you when something gets to you fast (it puts a "Should receive in 1 business day after shipping" beside the 3-day shipping option for me), but I'm not sure it works. Since I originally set up the cart without the free Ghost Recon game (bundled with the Core 2 Duo) and it said 1 business day... then I took the normal C2D out and added the bundle in. It no longer said 1 business day :/.
But anyway, my video card, case, heatsink and new thermal paste are here, but my motherboard, cpu, memory and PSU will not arrive until Monday. Should I install the new graphics card into my older X2 system to appease my desire to see how good it is or do I wait until Monday. It's not like putting it into the X2 will ruin it, but I do worry about the 520W OCZ PowerStream combined with 4 HDDs, 2 Opticals and the rest of the setup.
Yes, like someone else said, I "work hard for the money" and I treat myself right.
Now, here's the humdinger of a question... I get my new 8800GTX today. Problem is, I guesstimated with the rest of my parts and hoped they'd ship from NewEgg's NJ warehouse. Nope, they shipped from California and I knew I should've ordered them a day earlier. I should've put them on separate orders since the case (the most expensive to ship) shipped from NJ and 3-day gets it to me in 1 day. So if I put the cheaper shipping stuff in a separate order and set it to 2-day, I would've been fine. It's actually kind of easy to do since NewEgg tells you when something gets to you fast (it puts a "Should receive in 1 business day after shipping" beside the 3-day shipping option for me), but I'm not sure it works. Since I originally set up the cart without the free Ghost Recon game (bundled with the Core 2 Duo) and it said 1 business day... then I took the normal C2D out and added the bundle in. It no longer said 1 business day :/.
But anyway, my video card, case, heatsink and new thermal paste are here, but my motherboard, cpu, memory and PSU will not arrive until Monday. Should I install the new graphics card into my older X2 system to appease my desire to see how good it is or do I wait until Monday. It's not like putting it into the X2 will ruin it, but I do worry about the 520W OCZ PowerStream combined with 4 HDDs, 2 Opticals and the rest of the setup.
I guess its relative, but for a middle class income, 500 bucks isnt a huge deal, and waiting 2 months for that 500 to drop to 400
just isnt worth it in the eyes of someone who wants their toys now.
My dad and I are just barely middle class, but he just dropped 1200 bucks on a new keyboard and if I want to buy something for 100 bucks
every now and then he has no problem buying it for me.
We're not talkin about buying 650 dollar video cards every day or every week, a splurge on the very best once in a while for someone is always fun. In this case, at least the very best is indeed better then the rest.. my dads probably never gonna use half the features of that new piano, but your def gonna be happy gaming at 1600x1200 or better for the next year..
just isnt worth it in the eyes of someone who wants their toys now.
My dad and I are just barely middle class, but he just dropped 1200 bucks on a new keyboard and if I want to buy something for 100 bucks
every now and then he has no problem buying it for me.
We're not talkin about buying 650 dollar video cards every day or every week, a splurge on the very best once in a while for someone is always fun. In this case, at least the very best is indeed better then the rest.. my dads probably never gonna use half the features of that new piano, but your def gonna be happy gaming at 1600x1200 or better for the next year..
Raduque
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Originally posted by: flexy
maybe you sayt that now.
Until you see Gothic III, Oblivion etc.etc..with EVERYTHING they have at MAX with 8xAA, HDR...and its frickin' playable !!!
This alone would be "worth" those cards...RIGHT NOW already, i can name at least three titles right now (again G3, NWN2, Oblivion) where a GTS/GTX certainly would come in handy
I can play NWN2 at 1440x900 maxed w/ 2xAA (all I need at my resolution) quite well, thank you. I don't play Gothic3 or Oblivion.
And all the games mentioned in your first post? Well, by the time they come out, the 8800 will have dropped in price.... why not wait till those games are out before you buy the next-gen hardware? Also, by then, we might even have the die shrink refresh that runs cooler, uses less power, and may even OC better. Seems like waiting is win-win, to me.
Unless if course, you have more money then sense and like to compete in e-pen1s competitions.
Oh, and I have a question..... To all you 1600/1920x1200 people: can you seriously sit there and tell me you still see enough jaggies to actually REQUIRE 16xAA?
Raduque
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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Even a single aliased line would bother me immensly. Oh and I still see jaggies while gaming at 1680x1050 (only 8% less than a 1600x1200 res)
OK, well I guess I can't fault you for paying more attention to the aliasing, instead of actually paying attention to the game itself
Who said anything about requiring 16xAA? I don't require, but I WANT it. I will be able to play any game in pretty much any resolution with maxed settings. I don't plan on upgrading for a long time so it will do me just fine.
You may not play Oblivion, but I do. Not to mention Company of Heroes, Fear, and many other demanding games. For me, gaming in 1600x1200 with 16xAA is a big deal.
I really don't expect the prices on the 8800GTX to drop before the R600 comes out. And even if it does drop, it won't be by more than $100. The waiting game is a double-edged sword. Sure you could save money by waiting 3 months and buying the next big thing, but then 3 months later something else will be here.
Not everyone buying a 8800GTX has a nice system already. I bet the majority are building completely new systems, just like myself. $650 is alot of money, but I assure you I have brains, and most importanly a job. The 8800GTX is faster than Crossfire and 7900GTX SLI setups. Both of those will cost you over $600 bucks. Plus, the 8800GTX supports DX10 and has much higher visual quality. I think buying one makes perfect sense. Since I'm building a new system, the 8800GTX will help me future proof it just a tad.
5150Joker
Diamond Member
Ronin
Diamond Member
See your sig to see what? The fact that, knowing you, when the R600 comes out, it will be something to the effect that "You must buy this new ATi product (even though it's the same price as the 8800GTX when it launched)? Give me a break, Joker.
Learn to appreciate technology from both sides of the fence, and stop being a confrontational ass.
Learn to appreciate technology from both sides of the fence, and stop being a confrontational ass.
I'm not going to flame people for buying an 8800, it's a matter of choice. I bought my x1900 on launch day for around $600. This was the first time I've ever done such a thing and when all was said and done, I still don't have an ounce of regret.
But at the current time, for me personally, the 8800 is a non-starter. I can play every game at I own at 1680x1050 with pretty much everything maxed and get acceptable frames. Lack of DX10 content is the real dealbreaker for me and I also don't know when I will be getting Vista, so it doesn't make sense.
I feel the same way about Conroe, yeah it's great for benchmarks but am I going to pay $600+ for new RAM(I have DDR), new mobo and a new chip/cooler for a 5 FPS gain? No f'ing way, that's just dumb. And Quad Cores? Please that's dumb x 50. I can count the number of games currently out that take advantage of dual core on one hand, and the effects are minimal to say the least. Alan Wake and possibly HL:EP2 are the only titles I have heard about that might take advantage of four cores, might, and even then the benchmarks may not be all the impressive going from two to four cores.
Things may change in 6 months time, but in 6 months time your shiny new 8800, might only be worth $300 when the refreshes come out.
But at the current time, for me personally, the 8800 is a non-starter. I can play every game at I own at 1680x1050 with pretty much everything maxed and get acceptable frames. Lack of DX10 content is the real dealbreaker for me and I also don't know when I will be getting Vista, so it doesn't make sense.
I feel the same way about Conroe, yeah it's great for benchmarks but am I going to pay $600+ for new RAM(I have DDR), new mobo and a new chip/cooler for a 5 FPS gain? No f'ing way, that's just dumb. And Quad Cores? Please that's dumb x 50. I can count the number of games currently out that take advantage of dual core on one hand, and the effects are minimal to say the least. Alan Wake and possibly HL:EP2 are the only titles I have heard about that might take advantage of four cores, might, and even then the benchmarks may not be all the impressive going from two to four cores.
Things may change in 6 months time, but in 6 months time your shiny new 8800, might only be worth $300 when the refreshes come out.
5150Joker
Diamond Member
If R600 was available right now rather than G80 I'd say the exact same thing. The lack of newer games that demand a DX10 card is a major source of my cynicism. Maybe in mid 2007 when there are actually more than 2 good games that require this kind of card I'll change my tune. Fact is PC gaming is just stale right now.
Joker:
Didnt you spend $650 on your X1900XTX at launch?
Like I said before, the 8800GTX gives gains that R580 could have only dreamed of when it was released.
maybe some people want the enhanced IQ, maybe not everyone has played Oblivion 500 times, maybe some people still ahve games to play.
No one flamed R580 early adopters that only gained ~20% for spending $650, so why do you have a signature that would fit my 2 year old step brother's etch-a-sketch, flaming a card that offers up to 100% performance gains plus higher IQ?
Didnt you spend $650 on your X1900XTX at launch?
Like I said before, the 8800GTX gives gains that R580 could have only dreamed of when it was released.
maybe some people want the enhanced IQ, maybe not everyone has played Oblivion 500 times, maybe some people still ahve games to play.
No one flamed R580 early adopters that only gained ~20% for spending $650, so why do you have a signature that would fit my 2 year old step brother's etch-a-sketch, flaming a card that offers up to 100% performance gains plus higher IQ?
5150Joker
Diamond Member
Yes I did and even then I lamented the fact that all I had to play was BF2. I don't care if people blow their money on G80, I'm just upset that there is superb hardware like it available yet very few games to take advantage of it--its the lack of good software that makes me see very little value in buying a top end DX10 vid card right now. I think nVidia and AMD should start investing in software development houses direclty so gamers can actually justify spending a huge wad of cash on their expensive cards. The same holds true for CPUs, unless you do some heavy multimedia/encoding work for a living or run a server, its pretty pointless getting a top end Conroe system.
ok, that's a little more udnerstandable, but lets not forget that DX10 titles that are set to release by the end of 2007 are most likely going to perform BETTER than DX9 titles are performing on G80 today. DX10 is supposed to elminate API overhead and dont forget that unified shaders are a DX10 feature and we havent seen anything compared to what G80 has to offer through 100% programmable unified architecture.
So why not just buy G80 today and enjoy 1920x1020 settings maxed 16xAA 16xAF with image quality we havent seen before?
OMG DROOL I'M GOING TO BLOW MY LOAD ON A $650 8800 GTX XXX GOLIATH SUPERCOOLED 128 STREAM JIZZ SHADER PROCESSOR VID CARD THAT GETS ELEVENTYBILLION JIZZMARK06 POINTS SO I CAN LOAD UP OBLIVION FOR THE 500TH TIME AND SEE THE FOLIAGE IN 16XAA! MONEY WELL SPENT! <---A sign of PC gamings demise.
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Christ some of the opinions in this thread make my head hurt. How can you compare this game to Doom 3? It's nothing like it at all but of course those of you bashing it wouldn't know that since you're always too busy arguing about 3DMark and mipmap transitions on these forums to actually know something about games. Stick to your red..oops green vs. green nonstop fanboy arguments because you sound like phucking morons when comparing GoW to Doom 3 or even calling it the same genre.
P.S. my sig is for those of you I addressed in this message. For the rest of you that love GoW like me, my gamer tag is Joker530, add me and lets get some MP/coop play going on I've got insane mode unlocked already.
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Christ some of the opinions in this thread make my head hurt. How can you compare this game to Doom 3? It's nothing like it at all but of course those of you bashing it wouldn't know that since you're always too busy arguing about 3DMark and mipmap transitions on these forums to actually know something about games. Stick to your red..oops green vs. green nonstop fanboy arguments because you sound like phucking morons when comparing GoW to Doom 3 or even calling it the same genre.
P.S. my sig is for those of you I addressed in this message. For the rest of you that love GoW like me, my gamer tag is Joker530, add me and lets get some MP/coop play going on I've got insane mode unlocked already.
flexy
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Originally posted by: Raduque
Originally posted by: flexy
maybe you sayt that now.
Until you see Gothic III, Oblivion etc.etc..with EVERYTHING they have at MAX with 8xAA, HDR...and its frickin' playable !!!
This alone would be "worth" those cards...RIGHT NOW already, i can name at least three titles right now (again G3, NWN2, Oblivion) where a GTS/GTX certainly would come in handy
I can play NWN2 at 1440x900 maxed w/ 2xAA (all I need at my resolution) quite well, thank you. I don't play Gothic3 or Oblivion.
And all the games mentioned in your first post? Well, by the time they come out, the 8800 will have dropped in price.... why not wait till those games are out before you buy the next-gen hardware? Also, by then, we might even have the die shrink refresh that runs cooler, uses less power, and may even OC better. Seems like waiting is win-win, to me.
Unless if course, you have more money then sense and like to compete in e-pen1s competitions.
Oh, and I have a question..... To all you 1600/1920x1200 people: can you seriously sit there and tell me you still see enough jaggies to actually REQUIRE 16xAA?
dunno.
But then...if 16x makes it stil playable...why not ?
I am already fine w/ 4x....and now 8x seems nice and very doable...16x doesnt HAVE to be but if the card is powerful enough i'd give it a try
MIGHT be overkill tho.
flexy
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come on. be HONEST.
You would've rather spent those $600 on a 8800GTX now
But i agree..as of now the X1900XT is a great card, still....it might be different thinking about upgrading from a 1900XT to a GTX.....from that point of view i am "lucky" i am still sitting with an old X850XT
Originally posted by: flexy
come on. be HONEST.
You would've rather spent those $600 on a 8800GTX now
But i agree..as of now the X1900XT is a great card, still....it might be different thinking about upgrading from a 1900XT to a GTX.....from that point of view i am "lucky" i am still sitting with an old X850XT
Even my XTX @ 690/800 can be brought to its knees at 1680x1050
8800GTX at the VERY least negates SLI/Crossfire.
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