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Bowfinger

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Robert Reich wants to toss out capitalism and replace it with ..........wait for it..............you guessed it, Socialism.

Let's not forget the last time you quoted the hater of capitalism.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2244200&highlight=robert+reich

Maybe you can wait another 8 months and bring up another doozie.
Yes, let's not forget it. In that thread, just as now, the best you could do was personally attacking Reich while failing to even address (let alone refute) any of the points he makes. You make lots of noise, but provide no substance, no critical thought. In the piece above, Reich makes four specific points addressing why the market is doing so well. If you'd like to change your image as the forum dunce, refute them. Refute them specifically, directly, accurately, and with substance. Show that you can be something more than a mindless parrot for today's RNC talking points.
 

Bowfinger

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Robert Reich:

Why There’s a Bull Market for Stocks And Bear Market for Workers

Tuesday, March 5, 2013

Today the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose above 14,270 – completely erasing its 54 percent loss between 2007 and 2009.

The stock market is basically back to where it was in 2000, while corporate earnings have doubled since then.

Yet the real median wage is now 8 percent below what it was in 2000, and unemployment remains sky-high.

Why is the stock market doing so well, while most Americans are doing so poorly? Four reasons:

First, productivity gains. Corporations have been investing in technology rather than their workers. They get tax credits and deductions for such investments; they get no such tax benefits for improving the skills of their employees. As a result, corporations can now do more with fewer people on their payrolls. That means higher profits.

Second, high unemployment itself. Joblessness all but eliminates the bargaining power of most workers – allowing corporations to keep wages low. Public policies that might otherwise reduce unemployment – a new WPA or CCC to hire the long-term unemployed, major investments in the nation’s crumbling infrastructure – have been rejected in favor of austerity economics. This also means higher profits, at least in the short run.

Third, globalization. Big American-based corporations have been expanding and hiring around the globe where markets are growing fastest – even while the U.S. market is lackluster. Tax policies and trade policies have encouraged them.

Finally, the Fed’s easy-money policies. They’ve pushed investors into the stock market because bond yields are so low. On Tuesday, the yield on the 10-year U.S. Treasury note was just 1.9%.

All of this spells widening inequality in America, because the people who invest the most in the stock market have high incomes. Those who rely most on wages have lower incomes.

Corporate profits are claiming a larger share of national income than at any time in 60 years, while the portion of total income going to employees is near its lowest since 1966.

As my colleague Immanuel Saez recently found, all the economic gains between 2009 and 2011 (the last year for which data were available) went to the richest 1 percent of Americans. The bottom 99 percent has continued to lose ground.

And yet the tax code continues to give preference to capital gains over ordinary income — a huge boon to investors.

The sequestration is likely to make all this worse, since it will slow the U.S. economy and keep unemployment higher than otherwise.

It will also hurt the most vulnerable. Some $1.9 billion in low-income rental subsidies are being eliminated, affecting 125,000 people. Cuts to the Department of Agriculture will eliminate rental assistance for another 10,000 low-income rural people. Meanwhile, 100,000 formerly homeless Americans are likely to be removed from their current emergency shelters.

More than 3.8 million Americans receiving long-term unemployment benefits will have their monthly payments reduced by as much as 9.4 percent, and lose an average of $400 in benefits over their period of joblessness.

The Department of Education’s Title I program, which helps schools serving more than a million disadvantaged students, will be cut $715 million, and $400 million will be cut from Head Start, the preschool program for poor children. And major cuts will be made in the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children, which provides nutrition assistance and education.

The health of an economy is not measured by the profits of corporations headquartered within it or the value of its stock market. It depends, rather, on how many of people have jobs and whether those jobs pay decent wages.

By this measure, we are a long way from economic health. Rarely before in American history have public policies so blatantly helped the most fortunate among us, so cruelly harmed the least fortunate, and exposed so many average working Americans to such widespread insecurity.
Good read, MB. Thanks. I can't vouch for the accuracy of his list of sequester impacts, but his analysis of the stock market very nicely eviscerates the nonsense from the OP.
 
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Post removed, I should have fact checked before posting.

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Matt1970

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Yes, let's not forget it. In that thread, just as now, the best you could do was personally attacking Reich while failing to even address (let alone refute) any of the points he makes. You make lots of noise, but provide no substance, no critical thought. In the piece above, Reich makes four specific points addressing why the market is doing so well. If you'd like to change your image as the forum dunce, refute them. Refute them specifically, directly, accurately, and with substance. Show that you can be something more than a mindless parrot for today's RNC talking points.

Why am I not shocked that you would defend Robert Reich? I won't address (let alone refute) any of the points he makes because he wants to totally dismantle Capitalism and replace it with Socialism. How come he won't go make his money in a Socialist country? Oh that's right, he just wants to reap the rewards of a Capitalist economy while preaching for Socialism.
 

Matt1970

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In the longer term, months, they will tanked the economy. Does anyone have an example where a country "won" with austerity particularly when unemployment is around 8%?

Can you show me a country that paid off it's debt that was over 100% of it's GDP?
 

Matt1970

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Originally Posted by Matt1970
Robert Reich wants to toss out capitalism and replace it with ..........wait for it..............you guessed it, Socialism.

Let's not forget the last time you quoted the hater of capitalism.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthre...t=robert+reich

Maybe you can wait another 8 months and bring up another doozie.





That Bolded is sig worthy material right there

A typical Moonbeam hissyfit insult-fest is sig worthy? LOL
 

Bowfinger

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Why am I not shocked that you would defend Robert Reich? I won't address (let alone refute) any of the points he makes because he wants to totally dismantle Capitalism and replace it with Socialism. How come he won't go make his money in a Socialist country? Oh that's right, he just wants to reap the rewards of a Capitalist economy while preaching for Socialism.
Lulz! Exactly as expected. You fool nobody; you will not address those points because you cannot. All you have is hand waving and personal attacks. You fail at life. Wear your dunce cap with pride.
 

Matt1970

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Lulz! Exactly as expected. You fool nobody; you will not address those points because you cannot. All you have is hand waving and personal attacks. You fail at life. Wear your dunce cap with pride.

Sorry, you can always expect anti-socialism from me. I thought we settled that a long time ago?
 

Bowfinger

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Sorry, you can always expect anti-socialism from me. I thought we settled that a long time ago?
You're lying again. Those four specific points you're incapable of addressing have nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with why your OP is brainless partisan BS. You fool nobody.
 

Oldgamer

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Why am I not shocked that you would defend Robert Reich? I won't address (let alone refute) any of the points he makes because he wants to totally dismantle Capitalism and replace it with Socialism. How come he won't go make his money in a Socialist country? Oh that's right, he just wants to reap the rewards of a Capitalist economy while preaching for Socialism.

Wow, I was really interested in hearing a line by line rebuttal from you. You aren't even going to try and demonstrate your points? All you are going to do is just say you won't address or refute?

Hmmmm....me thinks Bowfinger is right about you.
 

zsdersw

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And you are just the poster child for intelligent unbiased thinking.

I'm an independent. I find lots of faults with both the Republican and Democratic parties... and regularly say what those faults are.

You, Phokus, and Incorruptible.. on the other hand.. criticize only one party.
 

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The OP is a clown. We haven't hit the 30 day and 45 day furloughs yet to even begin feeling the impact of the sequesters let alone having any market reaction to it.
 
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I'm an independent. I find lots of faults with both the Republican and Democratic parties... and regularly say what those faults are.

You, Phokus, and Incorruptible.. on the other hand.. criticize only one party.

Wrong! I criticize both parties and I attack anyone who supports big government. Any politician who supports big government will be criticized by me and the same goes for any poster as well.

I am nothing like a partisan hack but phokus is for sure since I havent seen him take down the democraps but he has plenty of time to attack rebloodicans
 

Matt1970

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Wow, I was really interested in hearing a line by line rebuttal from you. You aren't even going to try and demonstrate your points? All you are going to do is just say you won't address or refute?

Hmmmm....me thinks Bowfinger is right about you.

You want me to do a line by line rebuttal of statements from an extreme socialist?

Here, put this at the end of each statement for me: "It won't work"

Why is it people continually want to do a 180 with the economy of America rather than just going to live in the countries that already have that economy? Maybe because nobody wants to? I don't see a lot of fences around Socialist countries trying to keep all the imigrants out.
 

Moonbeam

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Sorry, you can always expect anti-socialism from me. I thought we settled that a long time ago?

This is what I have told you, you're a bot running a program. You don't and can't think or analyze. All you can do is punch at shadows you yourself create. You don't have to prove the value of anything. All you have to do is label it. This is socialism, this is capitalism, this is bad this is good. You are as dense as a brick. Your reward is that you get to be a hero in your own mind, a patriot for the good, but you have no real idea what the good is. You feel worthless so you can't let go of your fictitious self esteem. Your vanity and pride make you fall like an idiot. You don't have to live is such a tiny box. Grow up a bit. You are everything you fear to be, as big an idiot on the planet as there can be. Relax and be happy. The good is good and it doesn't depend on you. Have some modesty and a healthy bite of crow. The meek shall inherit the earth. Take all your bull shit and your thousand pounds of cabbage and throw it out the window. It will doubtless land on Incorruptible and you can laugh your ass off.
 

cybrsage

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Wrong. To date you have not created a single thread that criticizes Republicans or the Republican party's position on something.

This from a guy who has to be brow beaten to actually do what he demands others do in the theads he creates. You are a partisan hack who likes to pretend he is not, we all see it. You can stop the façade of being better than everyone else already.
 

cybrsage

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you're a bot
You don't and can't think or analyze.
You are as dense as a brick.
You are..as big an idiot on the planet as there can be.

You only used four direct, personal insults in one post. I have seen you put in far more than that, you must be tired.