Sequester: Administration Intentionally Cutting Where it Hurts most

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Pulsar

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...itary-tuition-assistance-after-sequester-cut/

I'm not right or left wing. But this is disgusting. I've been through any number of corporate downsizes, firings, etc. It comes with the territory in the Auto-Industry. However, you make those cuts in the way that best allows your company to continue to function. Many of the cuts I've seen in government, however, are fairly irresponsible.

When cutting something, you cut costs, and you cut PEOPLE. You understand that you will have to do more with less, and that includes less manpower. The upside of this is that you learn what is truly critical to your business and the rest gets thrown by the wayside.

Yet.... we're still funding personal cellphones, and a host of other initiatives. We're still ferrying congress critters on private jets. Funding large 'seminars'. The list goes on an on. Yet they've decided to cut things like tuition assistance. Money that has already been promised to people who are currently in school.

No one on this forum can tell me that we don't have thousands of people in the federal government and dozens of programs that can be downsized, BEFORE we cut critical programs that will get people kicked out of school.

In my estimation, laying off a person from government service is far less damaging that chucking a person in school under the bus. The government employee is likely skilled or semi-skilled, is represented by a Union who will provide them sub-pay, and can fall back on unemployment.

I believe these cuts are directly targeted as a way to influence voters, rather than doing them intelligently. That upsets me.

Disclaimer: I am not in school, nor in the military, nor do I know anyone who is.
 

berzerker60

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This is exactly the same issue as always. Everyone wants to "cut entitlements" and "cut wasteful programs," but no one wants to specify WHICH entitlements or "wasteful" programs. I absolutely say we don't have thousands of people in federal government that can be cut without seriously hurting a lot of people somewhere or other. If you know of specific programs that are better to cut, then you should provide specific examples. Yeah, cuts suck, because the reason government programs exist is to help people - they don't always succeed at that, and they're not always efficient, so we should always keep an eye out for what can be redone or cut, but they're there for a reason.

It's kind of like how in polls "generic Democrat" almost always beats a specific Republican and vice versa - people imagine whatever they want for the "generic" person versus the known faults of the real person. "Generic cuts" is always a popular proposal, but specific ones hurt for good reason.
 
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Why are people surprised that obama the POS would do this? He only cares about ideology and opposes spending cuts. That disgusting piece of shit will do what it takes to stop spending cuts. He truly is a pathetic excuse for a human being.
 

Balt

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Hagan, in a statement, also said she understands the Pentagon has some "tough budget decisions" to make, but called the decision to suspend tuition assistance "shortsighted."

So far, the Army, Marines and Air Force have pulled back on the program for this fiscal year.

Sounds like the decision is up to the DoD and the branches of the armed forces, regardless of whom the Republican Senator would like to blame.
 

zsdersw

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The cannot-fail nature of the US government allows it to cut spending wherever it is politically advantageous for the party in power (and perilous to the other party), instead of where it will strike a balance that minimizes overall damage like businesses do.

It's extremely unfortunate.. and very upsetting.. but it's what we've got.
 

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Sounds like the decision is up to the DoD and the branches of the armed forces, regardless of whom the Republican Senator would like to blame.

And exactly who is in charge of the DoD/military?

Fern
 

Balt

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And exactly who is in charge of the DoD/military?

Fern

Is there any evidence that Obama specifically ordered them to end the tuition assistance program? I kind of doubt he has the time to go through every department and agency's budget and tell them where they should make the x% of cuts. That's what he appoints their civilian leaders for.
 

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Tuition Assistance is the wrong term for what it was. It was 100% free school, I know people who got 2 Masters Degrees using TA. I myself almost got my Associates (I deployed) and I did not pay a dime and STILL have my GI Bill when I retire.

TA is one of the reasons ya'lls online education prices have been skyrocking.
 

Exterous

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And exactly who is in charge of the DoD/military?

Fern

Well, its not like Congress lets them make cuts where the DoD thinks they should make cuts anyway...

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/army-to-congress-thanks-but-no-tanks/?hpt=hp_c2

Is there any evidence that Obama specifically ordered them to end the tuition assistance program? I kind of doubt he has the time to go through every department and agency's budget and tell them where they should make the x% of cuts. That's what he appoints their civilian leaders for.

He certainly isn't standing up to prevent absurd spending and cutting decisions for departments he is ultimately in charge of. He is still in charge of those civilian leaders so he could do something about it if he actually wanted to. The 'Buck stops here' not 'The buck stops at the people I appointed'.
 

Pulsar

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And exactly who is in charge of the DoD/military?

Fern

Yep. No doubt this mess is coming from both sides. That's why I specifically didn't state an affiliation.

You have National Park Officials stating they've been told by the administration (democrat), and now you've got DOD playing the same game on the other side of the aisle.

The only real benefit is that we are finally getting cuts.

The problem is, those cuts should be permanent, and they won't be. Everyone knows tuition assistance will be restarted.

It's sickening that both sides are intentionally cutting where it hurts because they are still trying to pin the blame on this event to eachother. In practice they should be standing up and CHEERING the sequestration, because it's finally forcing what neither side had the balls to do by themselves.
 

Pulsar

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Why are people surprised that obama the POS would do this? He only cares about ideology and opposes spending cuts. That disgusting piece of shit will do what it takes to stop spending cuts. He truly is a pathetic excuse for a human being.

Are you ready to explain why you continue to call out followers of Islam while you ignore the Christian Church's crimes against humanity and children?

No?

Then shut the hell up. You're worthless.
 

Xellos2099

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How about cutting all the national park and those cultural center that no one go on weekdays?
 

Balt

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Well, its not like Congress lets them make cuts where the DoD thinks they should make cuts anyway...

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/army-to-congress-thanks-but-no-tanks/?hpt=hp_c2



He certainly isn't standing up to prevent absurd spending and cutting decisions for departments he is ultimately in charge of. He is still in charge of those civilian leaders so he could do something about it if he actually wanted to. The 'Buck stops here' not 'The buck stops at the people I appointed'.

I know a lot of people don't want to recognize this, but the spending cuts are inevitably going to hurt someone. It's not like the federal government has just been throwing money into a bonfire, no matter how much people want to paint it that way.

So people who are currently being negatively affected are saying he's making cuts where it hurts the most. If he moves the cuts somewhere else, you think whoever gets the short end of the stick in their place won't say the same thing?

If you want the cuts, deal with the consequences. Don't pretend they can be made without any negative or visible effects whatsoever. The "only cut the things I don't care about" thing doesn't work when everyone cares about something.
 
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