September 11: Unanswered questions

Narmer

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I have a few unanswered 9/11 questions. Perhaps some people here can provide insight.

1. On 9/11/2001, at around 8:15AM I was at the Staples on Fulton Street and Water Street, a block away from the South Street Seaport, to purchase some things. When the first plane struck I saw people were running towards the burning tower to take pictures. I was told about it thought nothing of it since, a couple of weeks earlier, a Frenchman had parachuted into the Statue of Liberty. When the second plane struck, the whole building shook and a Staples salesperson, who was on a ladder getting a printer, fell hard to the ground. That's when I saw people running away from the burning towers. It was now obvious that this was no accident. Anyway, the Staples was shutdown shortly afterwards and I headed west towards the Fulton Street subway stop but was turned away. As I headed back east I remember hearing from a radio that there was a car-bomb at the United States Supreme Court. I never forgot that but did not hear of it again. The reason why I still remember it was because it cemented into my mind that the attacks on the towers may not have been an isolated incident. Did anyone else hear about this?

2. How come there are no video footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon. This is one of the most secured buildings in the world so I would expect there to be cameras everywhere. But not one footage has been released to the public.

3. On 9/10/2001 Donald Rumsfeld announced that there was $2.3t of waste in the Pentagon. I remember this because, a day or two after the attacks, the chief of police at the time announced that he had cheated on his wife and did a bunch of other unsavory things. Both of these news events were overshadowed by the attacks but the Pentagon one seemed well-timed whereas the Chief of police was just exploiting a tragedy cause he knew no one would care. Anyway, does it not seem odd that we would have such massive waste announced at such a time?
 

kranky

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1. There were many unfounded rumors being discussed that morning in all the chaos. If there had been an explosion at the SC, it would have been reported.
2. Would it make any difference?
3. No, it does not seem odd. It's not even that significant of an announcement.
 

Moonbeam

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I remember seeing the people jumping out of the buildings. That was all edited out for my mental health. I have not taken the blue pill and believe everything about the official version. Only the official version is real. There were no people jumping out of buildings. It was just a bad dream. It is very important that I don't think too deeply about things.
 

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IndyColtsFan

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1. There were many unfounded rumors being discussed that morning in all the chaos. If there had been an explosion at the SC, it would have been reported.

Yeah, I remember hearing about an "explosion" at the Capitol and a car bomb or something at the State Department as well. The media was in a panic and was reporting anything and everything without the slightest verification in order to go one up on their competitors. It was really pathetic.

Marlin, I'm sure the Keystone Clowns will be along any moment to turn this thread upside down with their lunacy.
 

Linflas

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I have a few unanswered 9/11 questions. Perhaps some people here can provide insight.

1. On 9/11/2001, at around 8:15AM I was at the Staples on Fulton Street and Water Street, a block away from the South Street Seaport, to purchase some things. When the first plane struck I saw people were running towards the burning tower to take pictures. I was told about it thought nothing of it since, a couple of weeks earlier, a Frenchman had parachuted into the Statue of Liberty. When the second plane struck, the whole building shook and a Staples salesperson, who was on a ladder getting a printer, fell hard to the ground. That's when I saw people running away from the burning towers. It was now obvious that this was no accident. Anyway, the Staples was shutdown shortly afterwards and I headed west towards the Fulton Street subway stop but was turned away. As I headed back east I remember hearing from a radio that there was a car-bomb at the United States Supreme Court. I never forgot that but did not hear of it again. The reason why I still remember it was because it cemented into my mind that the attacks on the towers may not have been an isolated incident. Did anyone else hear about this?

2. How come there are no video footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon. This is one of the most secured buildings in the world so I would expect there to be cameras everywhere. But not one footage has been released to the public.

3. On 9/10/2001 Donald Rumsfeld announced that there was $2.3t of waste in the Pentagon. I remember this because, a day or two after the attacks, the chief of police at the time announced that he had cheated on his wife and did a bunch of other unsavory things. Both of these news events were overshadowed by the attacks but the Pentagon one seemed well-timed whereas the Chief of police was just exploiting a tragedy cause he knew no one would care. Anyway, does it not seem odd that we would have such massive waste announced at such a time?

There actually is footage of the plane hitting, it is just poor footage from a parking lot security camera. That wedge of the Pentagon did not face the main parking lots, the interstate, or the river so there is really very little reason for people to be there taking pictures. At that time there was just a weedy grass area between the building and Washington Blvd.

What Chief of Police are you talking about? The Pentagon is located in Arlington County, Virginia, not Washington DC and I don't remember any scandal involving the Arlington County Police Chief, the Pentagon Police force Chief, or the DC Police chief other than the gross incompetence his force displayed investigating the Chandra Levy case.
 
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PeshakJang

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I remember seeing the people jumping out of the buildings. That was all edited out for my mental health. I have not taken the blue pill and believe everything about the official version. Only the official version is real. There were no people jumping out of buildings. It was just a bad dream. It is very important that I don't think too deeply about things.

They were edited out by the media because they wanted to protect pathetic little children like you.

Go back to bed, little child. It'll be ok.
 

Mursilis

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There actually is footage of the plane hitting, it is just poor footage from a parking lot security camera. That wedge of the Pentagon did not face the main parking lots, the interstate, or the river so there is really very little reason for people to be there taking pictures. At that time there was just a weedy grass area between the building and Washington Blvd.

Beat me to it. I've seen that footage - cnn.com had it posted for while. Very grainy, but there's no doubting there's a plane slamming into the Pentagon in the footage.
 
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kylebisme

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I remember hearing from a radio that there was a car-bomb at the United States Supreme Court.
I hadn't heard about that one, but there were other strange things being reported, like Dan Rather noting the FBI catching two guys with a truck full of explosives on the George Washington Bridge, and NYPD officers finding a "big truck with a mural of a, of an airplane diving into NYC and exploding" which they report exploded after two guys got out and ran from it.

How come there are no video footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon.
There's been a bit of footage released, the frame highlighted here being the best of what is publicly available. As for more videos, the FBI collected more than 80 from the area, but claim to have lost all but the few which were released. Perhaps they'll turn up better ones at some point, but just prefer to keep people arguing about it for now.

On 9/10/2001 Donald Rumsfeld announced that there was $2.3t of waste in the Pentagon.
Yeah, as can be seen here. I'm at a loss as to how Kranky could consider that anything but a significant announcement, particularly considering the fact that the military industrial complex those trillions were lost to is also the same industry which benefited most from the fallout of the attacks.
 
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rudder

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I have a few unanswered 9/11 questions. Perhaps some people here can provide insight.


2. How come there are no video footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon. This is one of the most secured buildings in the world so I would expect there to be cameras everywhere. But not one footage has been released to the public.

American Airlines lost a jet..specifically flight 77. Passengers died on that jet. These passengers who bought tickets on a long published route. Do you realize how many people would be needed to stay hush hush to pull of such a hoax? Think about it. It is not even worth going into all the details to explain.
 

kylebisme

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He didn't suggest any such hoax, but rather asked a simple question. What prevents you from distinguishing the difference?
 

yllus

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The media was reporting anything and everything that morning. When I got access to a computer I was informed that 5-10 planes were out of contact and likely headed for a target, including ones up here in Canada.

There are some pretty crappy videos of the Pentagon attack from security cameras - one such video is here. Watch carefully and you'll see something streak in and hit the side of the building around 0:24.
 

Fear No Evil

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So if Bush and Cheney orchestrated it... and they are no longer in office. Is Obama in on it as well or is he just covering up for them under some sort of threat? You'd think if they could control Obama they would at least get him to stop blaming the Republicans... unless thats all part of the plan! Hmmmm... Where do I sign up for the OP's newsletter?
 

waggy

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1) every news caster was takeing anything they heard (even flat out lies) and reporting them. there were a ton of people calling in anything that could be a bomb.

2) there is footage. it sucks but there is footage

3) does not make sense..
 

Narmer

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There actually is footage of the plane hitting, it is just poor footage from a parking lot security camera. That wedge of the Pentagon did not face the main parking lots, the interstate, or the river so there is really very little reason for people to be there taking pictures. At that time there was just a weedy grass area between the building and Washington Blvd.

What Chief of Police are you talking about? The Pentagon is located in Arlington County, Virginia, not Washington DC and I don't remember any scandal involving the Arlington County Police Chief, the Pentagon Police force Chief, or the DC Police chief other than the gross incompetence his force displayed investigating the Chandra Levy case.

I was talking about the chief of police of the City of New York.
 

Narmer

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You know, if you stop replying to these threads, they will go away

What a dumb comment. $2.3t is wasted in 2001 dollars. That was well over 23% of overall GDP and you do not want to discuss why? People like you have no right to complain about where your money is going.
 

ShawnD1

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2. How come there are no video footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon. This is one of the most secured buildings in the world so I would expect there to be cameras everywhere. But not one footage has been released to the public.
There's random security footage of it, but it's controlled by the police because it's technically an ongoing investigation. The same thing happens if a tape is taken by police when it has evidence of a liquor store robbery or anything else. If they know who they're looking for, they don't release the tape. If they don't know who they are looking for and they need help, they put it on TV and ask people to call in.

As for regular non-security tapes, it's not available because it's actually a low probability that people are filming the pentagon and caught the event on tape. How many people taped the first plane hitting the WTC? I think I've only seen 1 tape of that, because people don't randomly film buildings. After the first plane hit, everyone was filming the WTC to look at the fire so we have lots and lots of videos of the second plane hitting. Also keep in mind New York's population is extremely high compared to Washington DC and the WTC has some tourist appeal whereas the pentagon is not a place for tourists.
 

Narmer

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There's random security footage of it, but it's controlled by the police because it's technically an ongoing investigation. The same thing happens if a tape is taken by police when it has evidence of a liquor store robbery or anything else. If they know who they're looking for, they don't release the tape. If they don't know who they are looking for and they need help, they put it on TV and ask people to call in.

As for regular non-security tapes, it's not available because it's actually a low probability that people are filming the pentagon and caught the event on tape. How many people taped the first plane hitting the WTC? I think I've only seen 1 tape of that, because people don't randomly film buildings. After the first plane hit, everyone was filming the WTC to look at the fire so we have lots and lots of videos of the second plane hitting. Also keep in mind New York's population is extremely high compared to Washington DC and the WTC has some tourist appeal whereas the pentagon is not a place for tourists.

Thanks for the answer. An ongoing investigation? Damn, our government is pathetic.