Please do tell how much you love Ted Haggard.
What is you love most about him?
His hypocracy?
His gayness?
His lies?
His deceit?
His thievery?
All of the above???
Sigh.
Here is the thing, this charity donates TOYS. Look at that word, TOYS. You know what a talking jesus doll is? Not a toy. Plus, depending on your religion, an offensive toy. It might make a good gag gift though.
We have an atheist government? Thats news to me. What a happy world that would be.
Honestly, how do you say the separation of church and state is nonsense, and then later say it would be bad to have a church run government? If if wasn't for the separation, then we would have a theocratic government, and it would be horrible.
Trolls with the topic summary, trolls the responses...par for the course from the P&N village idiot.
Apparently you love all of those things about him and every other Christian that screws up! Dave you need to seriously step back and realize that there is LIFE outside of being angry at everything you don't agree with in this world.
Did Haggard screw up? Absolutely.
Do I think its a shame he is just another reason for people like yourself to be turned off of Christianity? No doubt.
I dont know where you get the "thievery" part of the whole Haggard screwup but whatever.
My point is that people like you are so filled with absolute HATRED towards anything related to Christianity that you continually smear anything related to it. Just look at your post history on these forums and anyone can see that.
Haggard is a man who made some major mistakes. The part you seem to miss is that he is not Jesus Christ. He is a man who makes mistakes. Jesus was not.
Surely, you are wrong. The fact that some people have killed others in the name of Christianity, doesn't mean that they were Christians. So, I repeat...there are no Christians going around blowing up tall buildings, hyjacking aircraft and slaughtering innocent people.
The biggest thing people are missing when it comes to the whole stupid debate of "Well Christians did it too" is the fact that though there are some violent passages in the Old Testament, there is no open eneded mandate to kill in the name of God in ANYWHERE in the Bible. Unlike the Koran. It is widely agreed among Muslim schollars that the Koran has a mandate for violence with a few expections for peace.
judasmachine
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they are just choosing a "don't get involved" stance, it's not newsworthy. everyone take a step back from the keyboard, go outside and get a breath of air, and relax.
AnyMal
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Does it matter when it happened? Does it lessen the burden of responsibility? Does it give someone right to call one religion more violent then others? Did I ever say that all Christians/Jews/Muslims/etc.. are fundermantalist in their belief? You want a recent example? Look no further then Northern Ireland where Christians are killing each other in the name of Protestant/Catholic religion.
Do you really believe that the conflict in Ireland is about religion? Do you believe that just because someone calls themselves Catholic or Prostestant that they are Christians. Do you believe that these people who do kill each other, are doing so because that the God or the Bible told them to do so. If your answer to any of these is yes, then you have a serious misconception.
I see no need to explain the events, because they are not so different from those of other times and places. People will war with each other for alot of reasons much less significant than simply preserving their religion. However, a true Christian is a person that not only believes in the Bible and God, but has surrendered himself to the Spirit of God, and within the ability that God has given him, he obeys God's Word, which means that he will follow the Golden Rule. A person who does this, shall nor murder anyone, because he would be unable to murder someone that he loves.
Nope, Christian lead nations(US) blow up other nations, occupy them, take away rights, obtain you for anything you might say, set up secret prisons in other countries, torture, use the sceince they often times try to obstruct to spread their message to all the masses.
In one nation under God.
Estrella,
What country are you from? I don't know of any nation that never wages war or never uses other means to avoid war, Christian or not. So what is your point?
What country are you from? I don't know of any nation that never wages war or never uses other means to avoid war, Christian or not. So what is your point?
The same could be said of the "islamic extremists" that you claimed just a few posts ago represented all of Islam/the muslims.
Steeplerot
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I can think of quite a few of the top of my head, just about any of the scandanavian countries, and of course Switzerland.
Very secular, and quite a high standard of living also.
The point I was trying to make is that the sep of church and state has gone too far, to the extent of being atheistic. If we have a non-theocratic government, then we have an atheist government. There is no middle ground, try as we may.
Regarding the original topic: if Jesus dolls are not acceptable toys, then sep of church and state has crossed the line. The government has no business saying that Jesus dolls are unacceptable. Flame away.
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