<<Billy Graham and Jim Baker have nothing to do with religion, they point the way to God.
So they're involved with religion after all.
Maybe this is new for you, but church and state are strictly seperated in most countries in Europe, including The Netherlands, where I live.
You can't deny that religion influences state, but since we've so many different religions here, they enrich our culture. Only when one religion influences state more than other religions, it's a bad thing