Sentenced to Death Because He is Black?

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RPD

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Who says we don't have the right? Because in many states, we do have the right in certain circumstances, both through criminal court system and individually through self-defense/castle doctrine laws. Sorry, but you're wrong to assert we don't have a right. We most certainly do.

The guy in question certainly felt he had a right.
 

Hugo Drax

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how come you did not post a petition for the White guy that just got executed a few days ago.

Anyhow out of curiosity, are you black or white?
 

CPA

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The guy in question certainly felt he had a right.

Feeling you have a right and actually having a right outlined by a representative government are two different things and you know that.
 

dougp

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Sentencing has to do with past crimes, not one's likeliness to commit future crimes.

The psychologist making an errant remark about race has absolutely nothing to do with the merits of the criminal case against him for the crimes he COMMITTED, emphasis on the past tense.

I also guarantee that in the jury instructions the judge did not ask them to think about the likelihood he would do this again, it was for the actions he already committed.

Completely incorrect.

When the death sentence is handed down in Texas, the jury is asked two (or three, depending) questions.

  • The first question is whether there exists a probability the defendant would commit criminal acts of violence that would constitute a "continuing threat to society". "Society" in this instance includes both inside and outside of prison; thus, a defendant who would constitute a threat to people inside of prison, such as correctional officers or other inmates, is eligible for the death penalty.
  • The second question is whether, taking into consideration the circumstances of the offense, the defendant's character and background, and the personal moral culpability of the defendant, there exists sufficient mitigating circumstances to warrant a sentence of life imprisonment rather than a death sentence.
  • If the person was convicted as a party, the third question asked is whether the defendant actually caused the death of the deceased, or did not actually cause the death of the deceased but intended to kill the deceased, or "anticipated" that a human life would be taken.

I was on a jury for capitol murder, and I know first hand how it works in Texas. The reason why the background is there is to determine how likely they are to be a future threat to society.
 

John Connor

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Who says we don't have the right? Because in many states, we do have the right in certain circumstances, both through criminal court system and individually through self-defense/castle doctrine laws. Sorry, but you're wrong to assert we don't have a right. We most certainly do.


I'm not talking about castle doctrine or self defense. I'm a huge supporter of the 2nd amendment and I do own a PPK. I would use it if the need arrives. Break into my house in Colorado and we have the Make My Day law. Wham bam thank you ma'am.
 

John Connor

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how come you did not post a petition for the White guy that just got executed a few days ago.

Anyhow out of curiosity, are you black or white?


I didn't hear about it. I sign petitions all the time that are delivered to my E-mail. I'm white. Who gives a fuck!
 

John Connor

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Completely incorrect.

When the death sentence is handed down in Texas, the jury is asked two (or three, depending) questions.

  • The first question is whether there exists a probability the defendant would commit criminal acts of violence that would constitute a "continuing threat to society". "Society" in this instance includes both inside and outside of prison; thus, a defendant who would constitute a threat to people inside of prison, such as correctional officers or other inmates, is eligible for the death penalty.
  • The second question is whether, taking into consideration the circumstances of the offense, the defendant's character and background, and the personal moral culpability of the defendant, there exists sufficient mitigating circumstances to warrant a sentence of life imprisonment rather than a death sentence.
  • If the person was convicted as a party, the third question asked is whether the defendant actually caused the death of the deceased, or did not actually cause the death of the deceased but intended to kill the deceased, or "anticipated" that a human life would be taken.

I was on a jury for capitol murder, and I know first hand how it works in Texas. The reason why the background is there is to determine how likely they are to be a future threat to society.

What happened to the insanity defense? So in other words are they still a threat to society?
 

CPA

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I'm not talking about castle doctrine or self defense. I'm a huge supporter of the 2nd amendment and I do own a PPK. I would use it if the need arrives. Break into my house in Colorado and we have the Make My Day law. Wham bam thank you ma'am.

So, what you're saying is we humans don't have a right to take a life, but we do have the right to take a life.
 

RPD

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Feeling you have a right and actually having a right outlined by a representative government are two different things and you know that.
I do, but doesn't change the outcome for his victims or himself, they'll all be dead due to his actions.
 

Pulsar

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When did we sink to such a mentally deficient level that we would actually consider signing a petition to get a new hearing when we know nothing about this case other than what has been reported in the news?

This man was already tried in a court of law. Lawyers are incredible at coming up with reasons why a case should be retried - I've seen it first hand. They have the ability to make a mountain from a molehill. I would like to think that the people in his first trial were intelligent enough that they made this decision based on evidence.

Evidently, the person reviewing the case agreed that the jury wasn't biased. Why would we assume we know more?
 

BladeVenom

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Not true! He is being executed because he executed a young man and a young mother in cold blood while she was on her knees begging for her life . He did it in front of her children.

Exactly. Where's the petition to execute him sooner. I'd sign that one.
 

SparkyJJO

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Absolutely not.

The tard is a cold blooded killer. I don't care if some stupid psychiatrist made a stupid remark, fact still remains he committed cold, premeditated murder. He absolutely deserves to have the book thrown at him and have the death sentence. Maybe he was insane. So? Absolutely does not mitigate the fact he murdered people.

I feel for those poor kids. I can't even begin to imagine the horror of it all :(
 
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KK

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I am against the death penalty. Fuck or not we humans don't have the right to take a life. Prison for the rest of your life is much tougher and should be the punishment dealt. We are in the 21st century. One day the death penalty will be banned.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/15/duane-buck-attorneys-plead-supreme-court_n_965272.html

Question: Would you shot someone for cheating on you? Suppose you found your girl friend fucking with another man. What would you do in that moment? Beat the shit out of him?

Personally I hope the death penalty is used more. No use keeping anyone in prison for life, they are a burden to society and benefit nothing.
 

classy

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Sentence fits the crime. My only problem with the death penalty is they wait too long to use it. This dude should have been dead a long time ago.
 

alkemyst

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So you feel that being black is what made him commit murder?


Did he look at the color of his skin and then decide; "I am black, so I must kill!"?

HE is sentenced to death because of his actions - murder!

QFT and the doctor wasn't wrong with his assessment. It's an honest answer.

I am not a racist, but if you are a race that has a problem; it's time to speak up to your own.

Sadly; many just encourage the bad behavior and then cry "but it's trendy".

There are knockout gangs walking around, it's mostly black males but sometimes black women...it's rarely white/Hispanic/Asian/Indian/etc.

Their goal is to find someone not black (although they have done this to their own race) and knock them out with one punch in surprise. Some have died because of this game.

They have been interviewed and say "it's just fun, everyone does it"

Race like bi-partisan bullshit needs to go the way of the dodo bird. If someone is stupid, they are stupid.