Senators Challenge Pres. Obama on Rumors of Executive Order Amnesty

[CrackRabbit]

There would surely be savings in other areas. How much does the US spend yearly deporting illegals? How much do illegals cost the nation?

The second question is debatable, but acting as if there would be no savings is disengenious.(not saying you are)

I'm not saying there won't be cost savings in the long term. It's how long term are we looking.
The initial cost of putting up thousands of miles of fencing, with trenches and remote surveillance is going to be very expensive to do.
You are also going to need stations to monitor, repair and maintain the fence and surveillance equipment every so often. As well as border patrol agents to patrol along it.

 

[drebo]

Looks good, but how much would it cost to put that up along the entire length of the border? Along with the cost of maintaining it?

That is likely where things get sticky.

Not so much if it was done smartly...i.e. NOT the way Bush wanted his 700 miles of fencing that he allocated $60 billion for. A mile of fencing does NOT cost $85,000,000 to build.

For $85,000,000, I could build a mile of fence and man it with 10 people around the clock for 50 years and still have money left to spare.

 

[drebo]

I'm not saying there won't be cost savings in the long term. It's how long term are we looking.
The initial cost of putting up thousands of miles of fencing, with trenches and remote surveillance is going to be very expensive to do.
You are also going to need stations to monitor, repair and maintain the fence and surveillance equipment every so often. As well as border patrol agents to patrol along it.

We have relatively high unemployment, right?

How about the government requires anyone who wants unemployment to go down and put a month in digging trenches. Do your time and you'll get your money.

Or, instead of giving a trillion dollars to corporations under the guise of "stimulus", use that trillion dollars to put unemployed people to work building the fence.

 

[senseamp]

So you're saying that illegal immigrants aren't average people? Why do you hate Mexicans? What a racist.

Illegal immigrants make money they can send to support their families, we get cheap produce and services. Win win for everyone except racists.

 

[sao123]

This is simply not true. The CEO is infinitely more important to a company than the janitor, and their wages should not have any semblence of equality to them. Same thing regarding a doctor and a burger flipper at McDonalds. You can't equate them at all.

Yay for more liberal bullshit ideas about how everyone should have equal outcomes! PSA: if you want a doctor's income, go to medical school and become a doctor.

this is nothing but corporatist propoganda.

Though I am republican because of my conservative social beliefs, this business to business wall street circle jerk which is supposed to drive trickle down economics doesnt work. The backbone of the economy isnt enterprise. It isnt small business. Its the CONSUMER, and the largest and most important consumer is the lower and middle classes.

The reason why the janitor is equal in importance to the company as the CEO isnt just because of his job function, its because of his position in the economy as a consumer. if your lower and middle classes have no purchasing power, then your economy will never function correctly.

In all successful economic engines, there is some mechanism which forces money back into the consumer sector. Whether its some other mechanism which causes labor demand to rise and in turn raises wages, or its some government socialism policy... what ever that mechanism is.

Our innefficiencies made our economy great, and then came all the CEO's with downsizing, and profit maximizing...and these are the concepts which led us to our limp economy we have today.

we must move away from corporatism back to labor demand and to consumerism to become prosperous again.

 

[Corn]

Illegal immigrants make money they can send to support their families, we get cheap produce and services. Win win for everyone except racists.

I really do enjoy watching the typical liberal expose their desire to engage in the exploitation of non-whites for their own selfish benefit.

 

[marincounty]

I really do enjoy watching the typical liberal expose their desire to engage in the exploitation of non-whites for their own selfish benefit.

Do you also enjoy watching typical right-wing business owners exploit non-white workers for their own selfish benefit?
This liberal does not enjoy either. I would rather pay 50 cents more for a head of lettuce picked by a legal resident. And all of the money illegal workers send home is money that should be spent and invested here.

 

[senseamp]

I really do enjoy watching the typical liberal expose their desire to engage in the exploitation of non-whites for their own selfish benefit.

Did you just pull the race card? Who said non-whites? I'd love to have rednecks working in those hot, polluted fields for minimum wage with no benefits too.

 

[BoberFett]

Do you also enjoy watching typical right-wing business owners exploit non-white workers for their own selfish benefit?
This liberal does not enjoy either. I would rather pay 50 cents more for a head of lettuce picked by a legal resident. And all of the money illegal workers send home is money that should be spent and invested here.

I'd enjoy watching you and senseamp in a cagefight to the death.

 

[Munky]

Illegal immigrants make money they can send to support their families, we get cheap produce and services. Win win for everyone except racists.

Doesn't change the fact that they're here illegally. Using your libnut logic, I can argue that getting rid of speed limits will make everyone stimulate the economy with more gas money... Or that letting anyone loot plasma TV's from a store will bring booming business to cable companies... Or selling poison medication will kill off people who are sick anyways, so more room for us healthy people.

 

[senseamp]

Doesn't change the fact that they're here illegally. Using your libnut logic, I can argue that getting rid of speed limits will make everyone stimulate the economy with more gas money...

I am for getting rid of speed limits on the highways.

Or that letting anyone loot plasma TV's from a store will bring booming business to cable companies... Or selling poison medication will kill off people who are sick anyways, so more room for us healthy people.

Those are not win win situations, there is a victim.
Illegals getting money to support their families back home and Americans getting cheap food and services is a win win.

 

[Munky]

Illegals getting money to support their families back home and Americans getting cheap food and services is a win win.

Even ignoring the whole issue that they're here illegally, what you're proposing will only encourage more illegals to flood the country, and use up limited resources. We are already busy exporting and offshoring every job that's not bolted down, and your plan would only increase the population competing for the remaining jobs.

 

[Siddhartha]

Let me make sure I understand this thread, all the excitement is about RUMORS?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Let me make sure I understand this thread, all the excitement is about RUMORS?

Pretty much, but it's necessary to have something where people can have a fit. This works as well as anything.

 

[shiner]

But how can you afford it on the minimum wage you so push for?

Don't know what the hell you're talking about....I've never pushed for a minimum wage.

As for what I make...I'm sure I pay more in taxes than you make in a year so don't worry about me being able to buy you a ticket to the Somalian paradise you long for.